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Are teachers really more stressed than anyone else?

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EcoCalc · 05/01/2019 09:36

Stumbled across a news article with a teacher who said the stress was so bad she considered crashing her car just so she didn’t have to go to work. Iots of people on my Facebook feed agreeing that that was their experience.

Maybe I just don’t get it but surely teachers don’t have the monopoly on stress. I always get the impression that they feel their jobs are much worse than anyone else’s. Is it more that the personality type attracted to teaching isn’t necessarily equipped for the same levels of stress that lawyers or doctors have?

Just curious about people’s thoughts. Is teaching the MOST stressful thing in the world as it is being depicted as being?

OP posts:
FruitCider · 05/01/2019 16:55

What was said to get that response?
Context is everything.
That I believed nursing should be paid as well as teaching, because in comparison I don't believe teachers are that badly paid.

FruitCider · 05/01/2019 16:55

I have been on MN for over 15 years and a teacher for 20 years and have never heard a teacher say that it is more stressful than all other occupations

Perhaps you need to look a bit harder then.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/01/2019 16:56

Do you really think that it's the majority view that teaching is more stressful that all other occupations?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

nostaples · 05/01/2019 17:04

The suicide stats are a red herring.

Overall, although more men commit suicide, more women attempt suicide. (One of the reasons behind this is women tend to choose means that are less likely to be effective i.e overdosing).

Teaching is a profession dominated by women. Go figure.

I am a teacher who has been in other careers. Teaching is the most stressful of the careers I have chosen. It is far more stressful than many other jobs but not all and your age, the sort of school you're in, your colleagues, levels of experience, behaviour policy in your school as well as your personal circumstances (i.e whether you have young children) are all factors that will affect how stressful you find it and will change during your career.

Teaching has also become much more stressful over the many years that I have done it because of the pace of change, the emphasis on data, the increased contactability because of digital technology etc. It is a very different job with a very different culture from when I started it 20 years ago. This is recognized by the DFE and Ofsted who have recently produced reports on workload.

Holidayshopping · 05/01/2019 17:07

Perhaps you need to look a bit harder then

?!

Find me some teachers that are actually saying this!!

FruitCider · 05/01/2019 17:12

?!

Find me some teachers that are actually saying this!!

Does your own search function not work?

CraftyGin · 05/01/2019 17:18

I’m a teacher and not stressed.

EcoCalc · 05/01/2019 17:30

Some really interesting points being made, and from many different perspectives. I guess I should have worked my original query better! Didn’t mean to come across as a teacher basher. I’ve never been a teacher so have no idea how the stress of that would compare to other jobs.

I wasn’t have a go about personality types either, just always considered that people who wanted to go into teaching tended towards it because they were more caring nurturing types who might therefore struggle with the reality which seems to be more focused towards targets now than towards educating children. I’m not saying a type A is better than a type b or anything towards that, just saying people who are attracted to traditionally high pressure jobs might also cope better with the pressure of teaching.

Having read the posts I’m not doubting teaching is stressful.

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Feenie · 05/01/2019 17:31

Fruitcider, clearly your own is malfunctioning.

Holidayshopping · 05/01/2019 17:44

Does your own search function not work?

I’m saying that I have never met a teacher who thought their teaching was more stressful than any other job. You are disagreeing with me but telling me to search and find some teachers that do.

Why don’t you find some, if that’s what you’ve decided is true?

CowJumping · 05/01/2019 17:54

Working 60/70 hours a week, under constant scurnity, pointless paperwork, being told your not good enough, never being able to get to the end of the list, poor behaviour, not support from SLT, your pay based on things largely out of your control, no down time durring the day, constant criticism from the world and his dog and a myriad of other things

One of the things about teaching nowadays is that one is constantly scrutinised and judged - often by people who are not qualified, or experienced, to judge the quality of teaching. And one's work is judged by the results of a mixed bunch of children/teenagers with very mixed motivations. And you're performing 6 hours a day in front of a class, where your every word & movement is open to scrutiny. And those 30 young people can project any kind of emotion onto you & hold you responsible for their feelings & success (or otherwise).

Most teachers are excellent professionals, but their professional standing is dismissed, overlooked, or negated, all the time.

I suspect that the fact that teaching ha become coded/stereotyped as a 'female' job is at least partly responsible for this.

Banana770 · 05/01/2019 17:55

I teach. Once I was in the staff room when someone announced that a teacher in another department had broken her leg skiing and would be off for at least six weeks. We ALL six or so of us immediately said “wow, alright for some” or a similar sentiment. We then quite honestly all admitted that we’d all thought at some point that we’d like to be hurt enough to be able to miss work without the risk of being seriously poorly. And myself and another colleague had both contemplated crashing our cars. We were all signed off with stress at one point or another. It was the most hideous school I’ve ever worked in and I now work in a lovely school that I am SO happy in, but I totally understand how it gets to that point.

I’m sure there are other jobs that are very stressful, I think a lot of it is indirectly due to OFSTED and more directly due to management trying to evidence they’ve met the demands of OFSTED which often results in a pressure of extra workload on staff in addition to planning, teaching and marking.

FruitCider · 05/01/2019 17:57

Why don’t you find some, if that’s what you’ve decided is true?

They are very easily findable, I'm not about to sit here and start posting links because you are too lazy to do your own search.

PurpleDaisies · 05/01/2019 18:00

I’m not saying a type A is better than a type b or anything towards that, just saying people who are attracted to traditionally high pressure jobs might also cope better with the pressure of teaching.

Plenty of type A personalities in teaching. Being a perfectionist and wanting to control things in teaching is an easy route to stress and burn out.

Feenie · 05/01/2019 18:01

That's fine. Since you were the one who first insisted they exist, you do look like a total idiot now you're refusing to post any though. But your choice. Smile

MarcieBluebell · 05/01/2019 18:02

My friend had to leave teaching due to stress.

My sister has been a teacher for ten years but has nearly quit multiple times but stuck with it as she wants to help her students. She has now found a school she likes but the work load is ridiculous.

Imo it is by far one of the most stressful jobs. Having listened to her the stresses just don't occur with most jobs and the lack of support and idiot box ticking is insane.

MarcieBluebell · 05/01/2019 18:07

just saying people who are attracted to traditionally high pressure jobs might also cope better with the pressure of teaching.

This is such rubbish. Teaching is high pressure! What jobs do you mean?

Sallysummer · 05/01/2019 18:10

I think it's not a unique stress to teachers, more a collective stress level put on any government regulated profession that involves an element of caring- increasing numbers of hoops to jump through, reduced budgets, more and more requirements etc etc. GPs, teachers, social workers, nurses, doctors etc etc are all required to tick many many boxes and provide more and more information to government and meet targets etc. Then add in the extra on the job training - staff training sessions, safe guarding and so on.
My background prior to teaching was medical and social care and the stress levels are much the same from talking to colleagues still in the NHS and Social Services - we complain about the same things. Those things are not usually the patients, service users and children, it's the bureaucracy and external pressures from government.

Kezzie200 · 05/01/2019 18:12

I think Teaching is very stressful because so much that they are held responsible for is actually largely out of their control. Government budgets and rules, however poor, drill dow to affect them. Poor parenting and poverty drills up. They are caught in the middle, doing their best, whilst seeing a child for - perhaps 3 hours a week (time shared with 25 others)

Thecurtainsofdestiny · 05/01/2019 18:16

İt's not a competition!

My job is stressful and there have been cases in which people doing my job have crashed their cars due to being so tired from sleep deprivation from long shifts.

But I can totally understand that teachers get very stressed too.

BBCK · 05/01/2019 18:19

I think the stress of teaching comes not from the targets and deadlines;these are part and parcel of most jobs, but rather from the completely unpredictable nature of the job. I am a successful and highly-regarded secondary school teacher with more than 30 years of experience. I plan all my lessons to challenge and engage my pupils and mark their books thoroughly and regularly but this is not the exhausting and stressful part of my job, as this is what I am paid to do. I am very resilient and certainly not weak but my job exhausts me because from the minute I arrive in the morning until The pupils leave ( approx 7 hours) I have only 20 minutes in which to use the toilet, make and consume a drink and eat. The rest of the time I am with pupils or trying to photocopy. I teach in an inner city comp so whenever I am with pupils I have to be 100% on top of my game in order to maintain discipline. This involves being energetic, positive, consistent, funny, authoritarian, understanding, fair, scary and knowledgable ALL THE TIME!!!!! Teenagers are like wolves; they hunt in packs and sniff out weakness to bring down their prey. Hence, after more than 8 hours of performing at such a high level and the having another 2 hours of prep/marking or meetings I have little energy for my own family.

My pay is adequate for the hours I am supposed to work, but reflects neither my overtime nor my success rate. There is no opportunity to earn more through bonuses or overtime so pay us restricted.

In my school I am rarely verbally abused in my own classroom, although some pupils argue pretty much every instruction, however, on the corridors or outside my room I am frequently abused for asking pupils to stop fighting, swearing, truanting, smoking or whatever. This is the reality of secondary schools outside of the leafy suburbs! This is stressful on an everyday basis.

On top of this, the general public and certainly the media and govt seem to think that most teachers are lazy and stupid and that they could do a better job. This is regularly voiced and is very demoralising, but not as demoralising as being told every week to introduce some new-fangled idea to please some management type and then bring criticised if they don’t observe enough of it in your regular lesson observations, even though it is a pointless pile of poo that just wastes everyone’s time.

OK rant over! Teaching is not stressful. No one will die if I forget to mark a book but trying to contain a class of 30 hormonal 6ft teenagers, some of whom are semi-feral, or emotional wrecks, Oxbridge potentials, drug dealers, the loveliest kids you’ve ever met, refugees who don’t speak English, children with a wide variety of Special Needs, now that’s stressful. Teaching them stuff is a bonus😂

BoneyBackJefferson · 05/01/2019 18:20

just saying people who are attracted to traditionally high pressure jobs might also cope better with the pressure of teaching.

I'm assuming that you are not aware of the various government drives to get people from "traditionally high pressure jobs" into teaching?

They have pretty much all en masse said 'pay me more or fuck off' (paraphrased)

Similarly with the drive to put ex forces in to schools because they are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo good at discipline, the vast majority can't hack it because the systems are not in place for that type of behaviour policy and the kids take the piss and that causes stress

FruitCider · 05/01/2019 18:34

my job exhausts me because from the minute I arrive in the morning until The pupils leave ( approx 7 hours) I have only 20 minutes in which to use the toilet, make and consume a drink and eat.

Teenagers are like wolves; they hunt in packs and sniff out weakness to bring down their prey.

So a bit like my job then?

on the corridors or outside my room I am frequently abused for asking pupils to stop fighting, swearing, truanting, smoking or whatever.

yep, definitely similar to my job.

On top of this, the general public and certainly the media and govt seem to think that most teachers are lazy and stupid and that they could do a better job.

It's ok, as a nurse I feel your pain.

OK rant over! Teaching is not stressful. No one will die if I forget to mark a book but trying to contain a class of 30 hormonal 6ft teenagers, some of whom are semi-feral, or emotional wrecks, Oxbridge potentials, drug dealers, the loveliest kids you’ve ever met, refugees who don’t speak English, children with a wide variety of Special Needs, now that’s stressful. Teaching them stuff is a bonus😂

See I feel more sympathetic now. If more teachers spoke like you instead of moaning about the actual job eg teaching I'm sure others would be too.

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 05/01/2019 18:36

I am well aware that I don't have a monopoly on stress as a teacher/school leader.

My stress comes from dealing with at least 50 teenagers in the classroom every day, each of whom has their own needs and issues, then dealing with others amongst the 800 in my school who may not be doing as they are asked, then dealing with staff who are stressed and want me to listen as their colleague/friend/manager and possibly solve their issues and then dealing with some of the others on the leadership team who have very little empathy, understanding or common fucking sense. And then I go home, get very little sleep, and start all over again the next day.

It's the constant variables that make teaching so interesting but also so bloody draining.

On my previous job, I had some control over my diary. I was able to take lunch breaks most days. Occasionally, when I was really pissed off, I could drive the long way between visits/offices and blow off some steam. That is nearly impossible in teaching - as a previous poster said, some days I struggle to pee. I'm currently suffering with horrendous peri-menopausal periods and am constantly aware on those days that I need to plan really carefully - we have two female toilets in relatively easy reach of my block, but up to 50 staff trying to use them at break.

I spend a lot of my time trying to work out how early I can retire and then feeling disappointed.

WofflingOn · 05/01/2019 19:02

OH shush Boney, I’m still very distressed about Troops to Teachers.
I was told that hordes of muscular, fit, intelligent men would be flooding into schools to be teachers. They’d need mentoring by experienced teachers (me!) whilst. bringing in all those manly, military qualities into classand being prime role models.
Then nothing, nada, zero. ALL those promises of beefcake tomorrow just pie in the sky.
I got over it, then you bring back all the disappointment once more.

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