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Are teachers really more stressed than anyone else?

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EcoCalc · 05/01/2019 09:36

Stumbled across a news article with a teacher who said the stress was so bad she considered crashing her car just so she didn’t have to go to work. Iots of people on my Facebook feed agreeing that that was their experience.

Maybe I just don’t get it but surely teachers don’t have the monopoly on stress. I always get the impression that they feel their jobs are much worse than anyone else’s. Is it more that the personality type attracted to teaching isn’t necessarily equipped for the same levels of stress that lawyers or doctors have?

Just curious about people’s thoughts. Is teaching the MOST stressful thing in the world as it is being depicted as being?

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treaclesoda · 05/01/2019 12:23

It seems like a lot of the issues are that teaching is being pushed towards being treated more like any other business?

It's not a business though. Or at least it shouldn't be.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/01/2019 12:29

Academy chains are businesses.

ISdads · 05/01/2019 12:33

Ah .. type A type B with teachers as type B?

No op, do you know many teachers? I think perhaps not! They are usually complete control freak perfectionists (am a teacher lol). Anyway, type Bs are supposed to be more resistant to stress ...

Type A/B is a bit nonsense anyway. Teachers are caring types so that perfectionist streak leads to overwork.

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Foxyloxy1plus1 · 05/01/2019 12:37

Jenala does feel like you made it a competition though and it isn’t, or shouldn’t be.

The trouble is that there are still so many misconceptions about teaching. Some of them are being eroded, but it’s clear that there are people who find it difficult to understand that it is a stressful job.

Because almost everyone went to school, they think they know what schools and teaching are like. Well yes, they know what schools were like when they were there, but not now.

I think that people who went into teaching years ago, did so because it was a vocation. It was described as such and regarded as an important and respected profession. That was in the days when children had a responsibility to work hard to achieve. Now it’s the fault of the teacher if they don’t.

I was a teacher for a long time. I had some wonderful experiences, some delightful young people to work with, some great colleagues. I also was wrestled to the ground, punched, kicked so badly, my leg was bruised for six weeks, sworn at and shouted at by students and their parents and reduced to tears by the behaviour of some classes.

That is stressful. I would never say that teachers have the monopoly on stress. They don’t. But the reason that people went into the profession initially- to work with young people, watch them growing and developing understanding, help them to achieve their goals- have been eroded by the relentless scrutiny that I think everyone knows about now.

I wouldn’t choose it again. It’s apparent that increasingly fewer numbers aren’t choosing it either. Since experienced teachers are expensive and therefore pushed out and younger teachers are leaving after a short time, what next?

No one should feel so badly about their job that they would consider damaging themselves rather than go to work. And thecpension is not that good. Mine certainly isn’t.

Beerflavourednipples · 05/01/2019 12:37

I am a teacher and I have often wondered this myself: is it the job or is it just that people who teach aren't as well equipped. My friends mum is a counsellor/hypnotherapist/CBT practitioner, and she says that overwhelmingly her biggest clientele is teachers.

I actually think there are a few factors at play here:

I do think it takes a certain type of person to be a brain surgeon/bomb disposal expert/insert other stressful job here. Of course there are jobs that are more stressful than teaching. But those people/jobs are more few and far between, whereas there are thousands of teachers ('regular' people) across the country.

The actual job of teaching a class full of kids is quite stressful for a human to do. We had training once (I can't even remember what it was for now, attachment theory I think) and the trainer was talking about how, for a teacher to actually do their job, there has to be a state of equilibrium in the classroom. Everyone has to be relatively happy and relaxed for anything to get done. The only person who can facilitate this equilibrium is the teacher. In a class of 30 odd children, all of whom are still developing emotionally, all of whom don't always have the capacity to sort out their own equilibrium, some of whom may have all manner of shit going on, this is actually really fucking hard work. You are constantly working to maintain the balance, there is no let up from it, it won't take much for it all to go tits up, particularly in some classes. When you are doing this day in day out its hard. Now back in the day when you could maintain the balance fairly easily through fear and physical punishment it was probably easier, and you went home at the end of the day with hardly any work to continue with. Obviously it's different now on every level. You are on the edge for 6 hours every day with the kids and then when the clock strikes 3:15pm the magnitude of all the other work you have hits you like a ton of bricks.

I do think the lack of respect from the public and the relatively shit pay also contributes to a feeling of demoralisation which could quickly turn to stress.

I don't know really. I do know something needs to change though otherwise there won't be any teachers left. Schools should be beating off potential teachers with a shitty stick, on paper it's a great job! But they're not. And I know people who have come from other industries and have found teaching way more stressful than their old jobs.

abacucat · 05/01/2019 12:47

I think teaching used to be an easier job than it is now, and too many people judge it from their experience of being kids at a school.

By the way there are people who are paid less than teachers and deal with the most challenging kids e.g. in pupil referral units.

IceRebel · 05/01/2019 12:50

Schools should be beating off potential teachers with a shitty stick, on paper it's a great job!

I always think similar to this.
On paper it looks great. Long holidays, term time (so you can spend the holidays with children if you have them), no weekend work. No shift work etc. But the reality is something altogether different, as shown by the large numbers of people leaving the profession.

It's like someone selling a brand new Iphone for a tenner, if it looks too good to be true it probably is.

It's sad that so many children are now being taught by those who are clinging on, those who are just straight out of uni, or even worse those who have no qualifications. It's not sustainable, and I think no one feels more frustrated by the situation than the teachers themselves.

Fleurdalys · 05/01/2019 12:51

Boney
Beautifully put Smile

Beerflavourednipples · 05/01/2019 12:54

It's sad that so many children are now being taught by those who are clinging on, those who are just straight out of uni, or even worse those who have no qualifications. It's not sustainable

This. This is the reality for our children and no one seems to care?

damekindness · 05/01/2019 13:09

I work in HE but have some experience outreach teaching in secondary schools. The thought of teaching/contact time for 6 hours plus every day with admin/marking/meetings on top looks exhausting and within the current austerity in statutory education demoralising. The first time I taught a class I felt the need to apologise to every teacher I knew for thinking they had short days and long holidays and what a lovely life they must have.

AppleKatie · 05/01/2019 13:13

Teaching is stressful. I agree that there is no overarching ranking and nor is it a competition.

I’ve often read/heard comments like these:
My friends mum is a counsellor/hypnotherapist/CBT practitioner, and she says that overwhelmingly her biggest clientele is teachers.

I wonder what % of the adult population are teachers and how that compares with the % of any other profession. Part of it is that there are a lot of us!

abacucat · 05/01/2019 13:14

Different for therapists on the NHS where there services are free to access.

MaisyPops · 05/01/2019 13:18

Do you think part of the problem is that teaching isn’t really what people think? It seems like a lot of the issues are that teaching is being pushed towards being treated more like any other business? Targets and deadlines and workloads

Are you suggesting teachers went into it for an easy ride and are now moaning about having to do basic things from other jobs? I hope not because that would be silly and goady.

I career changed into teaching. I went in with my eyes open and love it. It is more stressful than my previous job.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/01/2019 13:21

Teaching has always had targets, deadlines and workload.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/01/2019 13:24

A young person i know has just started teaching

When we were talking about it i did try and tell them how much hard work it would be and all the prep etc especially after speaking to my teacher friends!!

But nope...it was gonna be a doddle Grin

They are knackered now!!

Beerflavourednipples · 05/01/2019 13:25

Do you think part of the problem is that teaching isn’t really what people think? It seems like a lot of the issues are that teaching is being pushed towards being treated more like any other business? Targets and deadlines and workloads

Yeah, I just went into teaching for the holidays innit. Imagine my surprise when I found out I would actually have to do some work!

IceRebel · 05/01/2019 13:26

This. This is the reality for our children and no one seems to care?

People care, teachers mostly, which is why they desperately cling on for much longer than they should. As for parents some care, but I think most parents have no idea just how bad the situation is, hence the shock at the School documentary.

WofflingOn · 05/01/2019 13:29

Yes, but 35 years ago, you were trusted to do the job without relentless scrutiny, and planning was for you, rather than to present to management. You could choose what to focus on as objectives and match activities and learning to your class. There were far fewer children with additional needs needing support and being unsupported in mainstream. You marked in one colour.
I’ve been teaching 34 years so far.

Beerflavourednipples · 05/01/2019 13:30

But nope...it was gonna be a doddle

I think Twinkl is responsible for some of this! New teachers believing that they will spend all their time doing super fun stuff like making their classroom soooooooo inspiring for the children and building a 'reading igloo' from milk bottles and making the most amazing Remembrance Day display (which isn't going to be up for very long at all) by stapling a zillion paper Poppies to the wall.

The reality is somewhat different Grin

Holidayshopping · 05/01/2019 13:35

Not intended as a slate on teachers, just something I wondered about.

It came across as a very goady thread.

EffYouSeeKaye · 05/01/2019 13:36

HUGE difference between saying your job is stressful and saying your job is more stressful than anyone else’s.

So sick of people who either wilfully misinterpret what teachers say about the stress of their jobs, or are just maybe not able to understand the difference.

Also very weary of people who make sweeping statements that are very loaded, and ultimately quite insulting, then follow it with a wide-eyed ‘just curious’ type disclaimer.

Exploration2018 · 05/01/2019 13:49

I've been a teacher for 20 years and can honestly say I have never heard any of my colleagues moan about the pay. Although recently I divided my salary by the average number of hours I work each year and it worked out about £15 per hour. Not great for a professional job. However, from my observation teachers are not leaving over pay.
I am not a martyr to the cause but it is hard to do even the basics required. The time : task ratio is rediculously skewed due to changing curriculum and constant, useless innovations. Fear of scrutiny and useless data analysis that serves no purpose are other factors.
Our head of faculty who is not stressed is blissfully unaware (or intentionally ignores) that all her colleagues are picking up the slack and doing what she is being paid to do. So when, people say that they handle stress well, is there another side to the story?
The solution to less stress is not necessarily to care less about teaching but care less what management think and the odd entitled, batty parent.
With the shortage of teachers, my philosophy is that they will not sack me if they drop in and my lesson isn't outstanding but my pupils and I will have a nicer time all round if I'm less stressed and tired.

Believeitornot · 05/01/2019 13:50

Because almost everyone went to school, they think they know what schools and teaching are like. Well yes, they know what schools were like when they were there, but not now

Being one of thirty kids isn’t going to give anyone the full understanding or appreciation of what it’s like being in charge of 30!!!!

I’ve helped in schools and occasionally have been left with kids and it’s not easy at all!!

Personally I don’t think politicians should have any say in the national curriculum. Otherwise we end up with bollocks like the Gove reforms. It needs to be evidenced based all the way.

Exploration2018 · 05/01/2019 13:51

Please ignore typos!!! I can spell really.

Arkos · 05/01/2019 13:56

I have been a teacher for 16 years but I had to get signed off last year as the environment I worked in was so toxic and I couldn't cope any longer. I'm in a better school now but I'm looking for a way out as I can tell it's only a matter of time before the same rot sets in across the board. The rot: unsupportive managers who habe barely any experience of teaching and have climbed the slippery pole as quickly as possible, parents who refuse to support/ believe that behaviour is an issue and expect you to get an A for their child when the child seems to spend most of your lessons playing with their mobile, pupils who think the world owes them everything and they can talk to you like dirt. I could go on but it just depresses me.

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