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Is there a thread about the poor 5 week old baby yet? [warning, distressing content]

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thewinehasgonetomyhead · 14/12/2018 11:07

Standing in the kitchen with my two DD almost in tears:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46565175

OP posts:
starcrossedseahorse · 14/12/2018 13:03

Aridane labradors bite more people as stats show - are you up in arms about them being family dogs and want them banned? I presume so if your 'argument' is based on risk?

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 14/12/2018 13:04

My dog wouldn't randomly attack him for no reason

I’m sure most dog owners who have had their animal bite or snap at anyone has thought this at some point.

You only need to look at some of the threads on the Doghouse where an owner has come on to query whether they should get their dog PTS/rehomed after a bite only for more experienced owners to eventually drag out of the OP that the dog had been displaying warning signs that they were getting more and more anxious which hadn’t been picked up on.

So although you might be confident that you could identify and act on those warning signs before any danger occurred, it’s naive to think that every single dog owner is as vigilant or capable of doing the same thing.

SushiMonster · 14/12/2018 13:06

Oh I'm sorry @starcrossedseahorse Would you like me to phrase that in a more MN acceptable way for you?

People living in chaotic households in deprived economic circumstances with low educational attainment and poor role models in their life, have a penchant for status symbol dogs, of which the staffie is one.

These people, obviously through no fault of their own whatsoever, totally society's fault...might be more likely (due to living in aforementioned chaotic household) to have a badly trained dog and to leave their 4 week baby unattended with the poorly trained strong jaw and high attack motivation dog. Which leads to staffies biting and killing children in these families.

I mean, when was the last time you heard about a black Labrador killing a child in middle class suburbia???

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 14/12/2018 13:06

I know of a couple who were attacked by their ‘baby’ staffie whilst they were sleeping (they had been drinking/eating takeaway - they think the dog was confused by the smell). They were both horrifically injured and the dog had to be shot.

If what you are saying is an accurate reflection of what happened (and it may be that your friends either did not recognise issues that were present, or did not report the situation accurately) then
A) that sort of incident is incredibly rare - they were more likely to have been struck by lightening
B) I'd bet very good money that the dog had a brain tumour; it's a very common finding for dogs who show sudden extreme changes of behaviour with no apparent external cause

Rage syndrome is another one that comes up; it is, however, incredibly rare and concentrated in a few breeds (eg cocker spaniels) and I'm not aware of any reported cases in staffies.

SushiMonster · 14/12/2018 13:09

@starcrossedseahorse you have it the wrong way round.

Staffie owners are not more likely to be violent people.

But the 'underclass' do love a status symbol dog - huskies, staffies etc. And those people are more likely to not train their dog. and are more likely to be neglectful parents in the first place.

Just like the bloody middle class hipsters love their pug at the moment. Poor pugs.

PinaColada1 · 14/12/2018 13:10

It’s both. There are breeds who were bred to attack, to hold on with a bite, to fight etc. We do need to ban and or license or whatever is the right option for those. Small dogs can be quite aggressive too.

Dog breeding needs regulations. Too many unhealthy and psychologically damaged dogs.

Every dog owner should also be made to attend training.

Only then will these horrific and needless deaths and injuries stop.

I have a gorgeous dog. A Labrador. I’d still never let her be with a baby or small child alone ever.

NotyourMummynotyourmilk · 14/12/2018 13:10

Nasty underclass violent people like owning Staffies.
Above mentioned people are more likly to be shit parents.

I don't think that is true, I own a Staff and I am neither Nasty, Violent or any class never mind underclass tbh.

You may find that the reason this case happened and the second dog didn't involve itself is because the attacking dog was being territorial over its find, which is probably why it attacked, the baby was probably crying the dogs wondered what it was and the attacking dog wanted to get to the prey before the other dog. This is instinct in ANY dog not just a Staff. It probably would not have happened if there was only the one dog, but no one really knows and probably never will. We must all try and learn from this tragic event and behave appropriately around dogs of any breed.

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SylviaAndSydney · 14/12/2018 13:17

Nasty underclass violent people like owning Staffies.
Above mentioned people are more likly to be shit parents.

Hmm I’m solidly ‘middle class’ dahling and was brought up owning SBTs. Don’t talk shite.

Our Border Collie had more heart and the proverbial balls than any Staff I’ve had, he made me feel ‘hard’ if any of my dogs did.

Tiredmum100 · 14/12/2018 13:23

The only staffie I know is a lovely placid dog. But I would never leave a baby or child with ANY dog unattended. Any dog can turn. I once witnessed a horrific event of a bull mastif and lab kill a westie and these were dogs who lived together and got along well (not mine btw). I tried to stop it but there was nothing I could do. These dogs are powerful. How sad, that poor poor baby.

formerbabe · 14/12/2018 13:23

People living in chaotic households in deprived economic circumstances with low educational attainment and poor role models in their life, have a penchant for status symbol dogs, of which the staffie is one

It's true.

If I see one walking down the road, I cross over or walk as far away from it as possible. Hilariously, sometimes the owner takes offence. God knows why? They probably got it to intimidate...they should be thrilled it's working.

growinganotherhead · 14/12/2018 13:25

For brizzledrizzle

Your article debunked (on several themes actually)
Merritt Clifton’s study is actually a list of severe dog bites. The title itself ["Dog attack deaths and maimings"] is misleading, since the list is a compilation of "dog attacks doing bodily harm," including some that are fatal or disabling. Clifton’s only source is the press: specifically, press accounts of dog bites requiring “extensive hospitalization” [never defined, so this might include anything from treatment of sepsis to multiple surgeries] and caused by “clearly identified” animals. [“[T]his table covers only attacks by dogs of clearly identified breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or others with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets.”] The numbers aren’t organized by year or location, and readers have no way to access the original press accounts and follow-up articles. There is a disclaimer of sorts - “dogs whose breed type may be uncertain” are excluded, as are police and security dogs and dogs trained to fight - leading logical readers to assume that the list must include virtually all severe bites by dogs of identifiable breeds.

Clifton’s report never mentions that there is a huge discrepancy between actual hospital records and press accounts of dog attacks --- between relatively objective data, in other words, and highly subjective reporting and editing with an eye to selling papers. The report fails to acknowledge that a number of factors are involved whenever any dog bites. The report includes statements about dog behavior which have no basis in science, and statements about breed-specific traits which bear no relation to the actual history, behavior or modern development of the breed being discussed [in this case, the German shepherd]. Clifton’s concluding statements regarding the inevitability of attacks by certain dogs are impossible to substantiate, and as a result seem simply prejudiced and inflammatory.

Ayogo · 14/12/2018 13:27

I just can't fathom why any decent parent would have a Staffie as a pet. Why not wait until the children are older. Right or wrong....I think one thing when I see a family with young children with a Staffie....uneducated idiots who don't deserve their precious children

And ironically enough, it is you that is uneducated.

WhyDontYouComeOnOver · 14/12/2018 13:28

I think one thing when I see a family with young children with a Staffie....uneducated idiots who don't deserve their precious children. Sorry

Wow. You certainly do judge people, don't you? I'll tell my highly educated academic colleague who owns a beautiful, well-bred staff that she doesn't deserve the child she had IVF to conceive because someone on Mumsnet knows everything about dogs Hmm

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 14/12/2018 13:30

Idiot people who cross over roads to avoid Staffies need to get out more. Unless you are dog phobic you have no need to avoid a Staffie.

If you met my sister you’d meet a middle aged and middle class woman walking her dog on a lead....unless it was nighttime as the dog is then too scared during to leave the house.

If you’d met her two years ago you’d have seen her with a grey haired dog who was doddery with old age,

Toning intimidating about either dog...or my sister,

Lovemusic33 · 14/12/2018 13:31

The only dog I cross the road to avoid is a local collie who keeps attacking my staff (it tries to round my do up like a sheep and goes for her legs), my staff has been attacked by several dogs and has never retaliated, she got attacked at puppy class and the class leader said ‘don’t worry, she will stick up for herself, she’s a staffie’, she didn’t, she stood there and took it. We got her when my dd was 18 months old, we were always careful as you should be with any dog but she’s never so much as growled at my kids.

Lovemusic33 · 14/12/2018 13:32

And it has got nothing to do with class. A lot of homeless people have staffies, they are loyal and loving and always seem well behaved (glued to their owners).

SauvingnonBlanketyBlanc · 14/12/2018 13:39

Totally the parents fault imo.Ive had staffies and now have a Chihuhua,obviously very different breeds but I'd never leave either with a tiny baby

Eliza9917 · 14/12/2018 13:42

Bodicea Fri 14-Dec-18 11:15:32
So sick of hearing it’s staffies. When is that breed going to be banned? Sick of hearing it’s the owner not the dog.
Dh saw a staffie attack another dog the other week. The owner could not prize it off it. It ended up going for the other dog owners throat who was taken away in an ambulance.

That poor baby. Something needs to be done.

Yes, like people educating themselves re: dogs/breeds/training etc.

starcrossedseahorse · 14/12/2018 13:44

Well, time for me to leave this thread as there some unpleasant people posting nonsense.

If you genuinely know nothing about dogs (I am ignoring the classicism as I am just....Shock) then please listen to those who do otherwise you run the risk of looking like a knee jerk reactionary simply full of hot air.

Dogs of any breed are not the problem here, people are.

starcrossedseahorse · 14/12/2018 13:45

Can I just point out that I meant classism?! Grin

Toolchest13 · 14/12/2018 13:50

Ha ha. I own a 7 year old pug. I quite like people thinking I’m a “bloody middle class hipster”. Best compliment I’ve had for a while

MrMeSeeks · 14/12/2018 13:50

So sick of hearing it’s staffies. When is that breed going to be banned? Sick of hearing it’s the owner not the dog.
No when are they going to start making it harder to own animals of any kind so stupid people can’t get them for fashion statements or have no idea what owning any animal actually entails ( obv i do not know if this was the case here, but i mean in general).
It is not the breeds fault.
A lot of people get them for a statement and it is a shame for the dog.
It is not the dog at fault.

ADastardlyThing · 14/12/2018 13:51

"A 28-year-old woman and a man, aged 31, from Yaxley, were arrested on suspicion of child neglect at the time of the attack,"

Tragic for the baby. But the above sentence stuck out for me. Sbts are as safe as any other dog with the right owners and environment, the same as any other dog.

Swipetounlock · 14/12/2018 14:00

I do think staffies are harder to train than many other breeds. They aren't very bright, but they are very strong. Whenever I see someone walking a staffie, it's always pulling on the lead. If staffies aren't somehow problematic to control as well as often bought by irresponsible people to make themselves look hard, who then can't cope with them, why are dogs homes full of them?