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Grace Millane - anyone following?

61 replies

WaitrosePigeon · 08/12/2018 10:49

Apologies if there’s another thread. I looked but couldn’t find one.

I’ve been following this week and devastated to hear that it’s now a murder enquiry.

Apparently there’s someone in custody?

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Avegemitesandwich · 09/12/2018 17:39

I hope that the absolute piece of shit who did this is brought to justice.

Grace becomes another statistic.

RIP

CharlesChickens · 09/12/2018 17:44

It is absolutely heartbreaking, that beautiful girl and her family. She looks rather like the daughter of a good friend who is the same age, i can’t imagine the pain of that family.

theliverpoolone · 09/12/2018 17:57

Unbelievable that people might be saying she shouldn't have gone travelling alone. Women get murdered walking home from work/through the park/in the 'safety' of their own homes in this country and any/every other country, every day. What are we meant to do to 'stay safe' - lock ourselves up in isolation? Angry

Hushnownobodycares · 09/12/2018 20:57

Agree theliverpoolone. Victim blaming at its worst Angry

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 10/12/2018 00:50

This was the last thing she posted on her art Facebook page... How incredibly poignant

IHaveBrilloHair · 10/12/2018 00:54

Absolutely awful, beautiful life cut short.

I travelled alone at 21 for 2 years, and luckily didn't have her ending, but she's not to blame at all.

Sweepington · 10/12/2018 00:56

This has really got to me. I travelled a few years ago and was a bit loose with my personal safety. You always assume you’ll be fine- these things happen to other people.
I’m in bed with my newborn. I have a career and a home. I can’t help but meditate on how Grace was denied all these things or any future she would’ve chosen for herself.

IdblowJonSnow · 10/12/2018 01:02

To the pp who suggested she made a 'poor decision', how the fuck do you know what she did or didn't do? That is victim blaming, despite you saying it's not. My 15 year relationship began when I was travelling and is still underway, did I make a poor decision? Grace was just incredibly unlucky to meet a murderer.
How dare you?
Love and sympathy to all her family and friends.

sofato5miles · 10/12/2018 02:22

This is so desperately sad. All these lives ruined. Grace looks like such a warm, beautiful girl and the family look so loving. So awful that it is so far away from home, and that they don't have their family and friends around to help keep them up.

Scott Beard, the policeman appears so devastated, and I hope that the level of the police caring is giving the family some comfort.

brizzledrizzle · 10/12/2018 02:38

I don't think it's advisable for anybody to travel alone but not for personal safety responsibility, other reasons. Anybody victim blaming is way way beyond the mark. Her poor family.

IHaveBrilloHair · 10/12/2018 02:55

The Policeman looks so broken, I really feel for him too.

BlackBeltInPresentWrapping · 10/12/2018 03:32

My understanding is that Grace was in South America on an organised trip, (correct me if I'm wrong), but then went to NZ on her own. When I heard that, I thought what a smart decision that was, South America being generally more risky as a traveller, compared to the usually much safer NZ. I would have done exactly the same as her. I would have thought that NZ would be perfectly safe to travel to without friends or a tour company.

I set out years ago, just like Grace, to travel after uni. Here I am now, a mother, my itchy feet replaced by memories and mementoes to share with my growing DCs. This should have been the case for Grace too, in years to come.

Grace should have been safe. Safe to spread her wings as a young adult, to experience life out in the world, to make mistakes, to have adventures and to return to her family full of stories.

In Grace I see myself, and one of my DCs in particular who I'm sure, in the future, will want to see the world.

I am just so very, very sorry that her life and her future have been stolen from her, and that she has been stolen from her loving family. It is just wrong, on every level. Grace did absolutely nothing to deserve this tragic outcome.

I don't think she will ever be forgotten. But this young woman should be more than a memory. RIP Grace, and sincere condolences to her family and friends.

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brizzledrizzle · 10/12/2018 03:57

What the fuck are you talking about?

HarrySnotter · 10/12/2018 06:43

MrDonut What the hell are you on about? Have some fucking respect.

Idontknowwhyinfrench · 10/12/2018 06:50

So sad. I travelled in NZ alone at the same age.
Feel so sorry for her and her family and for NZ.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 10/12/2018 08:07

I've travelled alone through Australia, Thailand, Spain, Cambodia, Malaysia and others. I'm petite, female and white, and started travelling solo when I was 19 and went to Australia.

There's a certain element of risk involved in solo travel, which I accept, but it's miniscule - the stats would probably show that Grace was more likely to have been killed in a car crash than to have been murdered. Plus, let's not forget that the vast majority of murders are carried out by someone known to the victim.

I have, almost without exception, found solo travel a fantastic experience, life affirming and far safer than some would have you believe. Grace didn't make bad decisions - she was just incredibly unlucky.

buddhasbelly · 10/12/2018 08:40

One of the rags has published the suspect's name. I hope this doesn't affect the trial.

Rest in peace Grace Flowers

TheDowagerCuntess · 10/12/2018 08:48

Grace didn't do a thing wrong. She is every one of us with an ounce of gumption that has gone out into the world.

The only person at fault is the yet another violent man, who just can't not kill.

I can only hope that our justice system doesn't let Grace and her family down. The fact that this person's name is circulating on SM doesn't bode well.

RIP Grace.

jillytots · 10/12/2018 09:26

Loads of people travel alone, Grace did nothing wrong and just wanted to see the world.

If you think she made a mistake then you must think that anyone that gets romantically involved with a man is making a mistake as most women who are murdered by men are murdered by their boyfriend or husband.

Its men who kill who are the problem here, not young women who want to travel.

Chocolatecoffeeaddict · 10/12/2018 10:01

Poor girl and her poor family. A young woman out enjoying her life and then taken like this, just awful. But at the very least, even if it gives a shred of comfort, they now have her body and have found the person who did this.

Panicwiththebisto · 10/12/2018 10:14

I feel sad at a promising life cut short, and for her grieving family and friends.

That it happened in New Zealand, one of the safer places to travel alone in I would have thought, is shocking. Agree with Jillytots that it is the men who kill women who are the problem here, not women who travel alone.

sofato5miles · 10/12/2018 10:56

I haven't seen an agenda against her travelling alone. And if I do it will patently be ignored as ridiculous.

And names on international SM do not jeopardise anything Hmm once people are charged?

wowfudge · 10/12/2018 11:10

There's a reason the police have withheld the suspect's name - most commonly this happens when the person has a criminal record and it's to prevent a fair trial being prejudiced. Alternatively it could be to protect his family.

Poor woman. My condolences to her family. It's no consolation to them, but at least she fulfilled some of her ambitions before this happened to her.

AhoyDelBoy · 10/12/2018 11:19

He’s been granted interim name suppression sofato5miles. Publishing his name on SM is illegal as it’s in direct contravention of the court order.

It’s so sad that this has happened. I really feel for her family - now facing the future without their DD and DSis. Just heartbreaking really. It should never have happened.