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Why is DH so incompetent?

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HagueBlue · 31/10/2018 20:56

It may not seem like a big deal but I'm so cross with him at the moment, I've just come on here to vent really.

This year school for some reason only sent parent teacher meeting invites to one parent. DH received ours, and put the meetings in the diary for Thursday. Turns out the meetings were today and we've missed them.

As well as being angry at him, I'm embarrassed and disappointed that we took up two busy teachers' time, and missed the rare opportunity to discuss the DC's progress. Of course I will be the one to go in tomorrow to apologise profusely and ask for another slot. Hmm

He does things like this ALL the time, it's so infuriating. Whether it's unsent forms, unpaid bills etc, it's so stressful having that nagging feeling that something's about to go wrong because of his poor admin skills. Our car got towed away last year because he hadn't sorted the insurance in time, we've received fines several times because he's neglected to pay some bill or other. He also ignores all post, I need to open his letters if anything's to be done.

If he treated his work like he does his home life he'd have been sacked by now. I'm pretty sure he doesn't as he has a well-paid job which he's good at. I mean no disrespect to LPs but I honestly often think it would be easier if he wasn't here - then at least I'd know that things would get done.

What's the answer please, short of divorce? I feel like I've tried every possible strategy to get him to sort this out, I'm at the end of my tether.

OP posts:
Dermymc · 01/11/2018 10:04

Nosquirrels I totally agree with you that OP shouldn't have to shoulder the mental load. However sitting down together and devising a list could help him see past his "blind spots".

Storm4star · 01/11/2018 10:05

Well obviously I prioritise work because I need to pay rent and buy food! It has to come first. I just think everyone is making it sound like the DH is some arrogant, entitled, misogynist that sees life admin as beneath him when that isn’t necessarily the case. I was just putting forward a different view. Obviously if he doesn’t improve the OP can make her choice as to whether it’s a dealbreaker.

NoSquirrels · 01/11/2018 10:11

OP, does your DH have an assistant who organises his diary and all the admin stuff at work? Is that why he's deskilled?

Olderbyaminute · 01/11/2018 10:25

I’d have lost my mind if my DH asked me to summarize the divorce book! My DH wouldn’t be playing PS 4 hours a night cause I’d have thrown him,the PS and all his shit on the front lawn and changed the locks! I think you have to ponder the rest of your life with him and his idiotic ways

Storm4star · 01/11/2018 10:27

OP, I've been a lone parent and honestly, no it isn't easier. As you say, if you become a lone parent you'll have to do all this stuff on your own anyway. So, bearing that in mind, is he a good man other than this? Are there things he could take on in the household to ease pressure on you in other ways? So maybe a larger share of household chores or cooking for example? A lot of successful relationships I've seen are not necessarily everything split 50/50. It's often about each partner having strengths and weaknesses and dividing work according to that. As I've stated in my posts. My work seems to "drain" all my thinking power and I do struggle to keep on top of other admin type stuff. I'm great at cleaning! As that requires no mental energy so I do have a clean and tidy house at least.

myron · 01/11/2018 10:45

I have managed the joint bills/finances from when we started living together pre DC/marriage. DH sorts out his car, company cc, personal cc and his various pensions' admin (I have access details). I manage everything else including savings, investments, ISAs and everything for the DC. I have more inclination and interest than he does - we've been together nearly 30 yrs and it works for us as a family unit. The amount of times that I have read on MN what amounts to financial abuse within a marriage/relationship, I would argue that being in charge of the finances/bills, etc is a position of strength for women.

I really think that it's easier for one person in the family unit to administer most of the joint finances/bills/insurances and similarly, one person to administer the kids' school/clubs' stuff - not necessarily the same person. Whatever works best for your family.

Don't sweat the small stuff! You'll find life less stressful then. What matters is that it gets done. It's not the end of the world to forget one parent/teacher meeting. And I am a self confessed control freak with various comforting spreadsheets to hand.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 01/11/2018 10:49

@myron do you also work full time?

PhilomenaButterfly · 01/11/2018 10:53

Maybe he has poor executive function, like me. Hmm I see it as a #parentingwin if I remember everything I need to in one day. I set Google reminders for everything.

macnab · 01/11/2018 11:34

It's not the end of the world to forget one parent/teacher meeting

^^ it is, if it's the millionth time something like this has happened Hmm

OP, I have a very similar situation at home. I don't really know the answer other than to leave but that's tearing the whole family apart and I don't want to do that, so I choose the lesser of two evils, and put up with it. I put all my thoughts/feelings down in a letter a couple of years ago. I found it really therapeutic, I was able to write and re-write until I was left with exactly how I feel. I made sure not to be accusatory, I spoke about how I felt rather than what he did/didn't do. I spelled out how he's become so less attractive to me than when we first met (we're together over 20 years) My DH has a problem with the lack of sex we have, I explained that I find it very hard to go from being someone's mother-figure to giving blowjobs in the same evening Hmm Even now, two years on there's nothing in that letter that I wish I hadn't said, or said differently. It worked for a while, he definitely made a bit of an effort but now we're back to where we were. The difference is, I give fewer fucks (literally Grin ) and I'm pretty sure he knows what's going on in my head, I know at the time the letter really got to him. But it wasn't enough clearly to get him to change permanently. And I'm done wasting my energy on trying to remind him, cajoule him, encourage him.... I'm done, basically. It's just a very sad setup. Maybe your DH will be different

KnittingSister · 01/11/2018 11:46

If its important to you, then you do it. So your car - you make sure it's taxed MOT 'd insured etc. His car - his problem. Housework - agree together a list of all the jobs and the days to do them. Agree who is doing what. This is a plan you make and agree together fairly. Job not done? Person responsible suffers consequences. If he can't manage this then you'll have to rethink your options.

Dontfeellikeaskeleton · 01/11/2018 11:49

Simple.

It's easier for him if you do it.

Think about the amount of mental energy you're expending on all this! All those little chores, phone calls, etc ad nauseum add up.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/11/2018 11:58

Division of Labour:

You do all the admin - this is important and takes some hours each week
So he does ALL the household cleaning - write a list of tasks, agree it together and don't step in when he screws up, because it's not a disaster

KnittingSister · 01/11/2018 12:12

I like bigchoc's idea Grin

Graphista · 01/11/2018 12:13

If you've posted about his lazy sexist arse before and he's not even ATTEMPTED to change (seriously he can't even spare 15 minutes to read an article?!)

Then I genuinely don't understand why you don't just boot his arse!

At the very least I'd be taking the fuse out his sodding games console AND telling him you're on your very last straw! And CERTAINLY stop doing anything that's just for him!

As I think I said in first post on this thread - wtf IS he good for? He's lazy, he's unsupportive, he's dismissive of your very valid concerns... Exactly WHAT does he bring to the relationship?

Lonicera - men are no more "wired like this" than women are to do everything! That's bullshit! As adult humans they are JUST as capable as women to do the necessary work involved in being an ADULT and a PARENT! If for some reason op suddenly weren't available or literally able to do it I guarantee he'd soon sort it out!

Sorry storm4 but that's nonsense! I'm a Lp, with serious health issues I still manage to stay on top of household admin and until very recently dds school and hobby stuff too. Not opening post is a choice YOU have made it hasn't happened by accident. As it only affects you, you have the right to make that choice - but also the responsibility of facing the consequences.

OP'S dh has neither. His inaction is affecting others (who he is supposed to love) negatively and he's not even really facing any consequences and clearly doesn't even care!

Honestly op I'm amazed you've lasted this long.

Storm4star · 01/11/2018 12:51

I'm a Lp, with serious health issues I still manage to stay on top of household admin

Fair enough, doesn't mean everyone can! I think you'll find there's actually a lot of people like me. That's why people get into "messes" which are of their own creation! If we were all fantastic in managing these things no one would ever go into debt (or they would at least have an appropriate payment plan sorted), no one would ever miss appointments, everyone's lives would run more or less seamlessly. Do you really think that's the case? No.

If the marriage is otherwise good (that's something we don't know) then no, I don't think it is worth breaking up a family over. Fine, if this is the last in a long list of complaints it might be different but I can only go on the information OP has given us. I tend to save my "ltb's" for irreparable situations rather than throwing them around like confetti!

Graphista · 01/11/2018 13:05

I think OCCASIONAL slip ups are fine and normal bit REGULARLY not taking responsibility for running life as an adult (barring certain illnesses and disabilities that would genuinely affect this) is not.

As for op - she's stated he ALSO doesn't pull his weight with housework, spends 4 hours of an eve on games console rather than doing what's NEEDED and this isn't the first time she's posted about his lack of effort. That's definitely in ltb territory for me!

HagueBlue · 01/11/2018 13:34

macnab unfortunately it sounds like I'm in exactly the same position as you. I've written letters in the past too. I empathise deeply. sigh

Knitting part of the problem is that it would be so difficult to separate things down the middle - we share a car and a house etc. If I was to give him specific tasks and they didn't get done (which they wouldn't) it would be the DCs and I who suffer.

BigChoc that could be an idea, I would just need to adjust to not stepping in which I know I would find hard. I realise that part of that is down to social expectations which I should try to pay less attention to anyway. I know though (and I've tested this) that if we had people coming over and I knew the place was a tip, toilets dirty etc he wouldn't notice or do anything about it, and being a bad host would make me feel very uncomfortable and embarrassed, regardless of whose fault it was.

He can cook but generally makes whatever he fancies eating. He tries but he's also one of those people who creates chaos when he cooks, uses every single pot and pan etc and doesn't see the mess to clean it up, so guess who ends up cleaning meat spatters off the walls - it'd be easier and less stressful for me if he didn't cook at all.

NoSquirrels he has an office manager at work who sorts out his travel, but otherwise he manages his own diary so I know he's capable of doing it. However, I've often had to step in and fill in his business expense claims & scan receipts, as they can run into the thousands of £££s before he'd do them. Other than the car, I do all his personal financial admin re. ISAs, pensions, insurance etc as much as I can although things fall down when he needs to take action, e.g. he has no life insurance at the moment because he didn't call to request his medical form from the GP in time and the quote ran out. There's only so much I can do.

God, the more I write the worse he sounds. Good things are - he loves his children dearly, and I know that he loves me, although sadly not enough to change his behaviour, unfortunately.

And in fairness, the one task he does cover is all kids' birthday party duties as I can't bear them. However, I've ended up being responsible for making sure we have presents, cards & wrapping paper stocked in advance as he doesn't remember until it's time to leave. It's part laziness, part chronic disorganisation.

Graphista I agree with everything you're saying, I've just been trying for years to find a solution that means that my DCs don't have their family torn apart. I am taking it very seriously but I'm not quite there yet.

For a few years we had a fantastic nanny which I think helped to paper over the cracks as she covered up a lot of his deficiencies by being organised and proactive. But now that both DCs are in school it's just the two of us so it's crystal clear just how unbalanced our individual contributions are. He comes from a family where men aren't expected to lift a finger so that's no doubt where a lot of this comes from - his mother thinks it's amazing that he can cook and is involved in childcare at all and congratulates him often.

OP posts:
Storm4star · 01/11/2018 13:37

Well, as I say, I would be saying to him that ok admin is not his forte so he needs to do more of the other things. When I was with my ex he loved cooking, I hated it! So I was happy to do the cleaning in exchange for having my meals cooked. I was decent at decorating/DIY (he hated all that!), so I did that and he did the more admin/organisational things. I just wonder if specified roles might work better than trying to get him to do halves of things that he never then does.

Storm4star · 01/11/2018 13:46

OP, I posted before I saw your update, which makes my post redundant! lol.

In that case I think you maybe need to spell it out to him that your marriage is at serious risk because of all this, and really drum that fact into him. I think a lot of people don't realise until it's too late, thinking that the injured party doesn't really mean it etc. Maybe put it on him that he steps up and does half, or comes up with a realistic proposal on how chores etc can be allocated fairly.

If I put myself in his place, and I was about to lose my family over my disorganisation then yes I would be coming up with what I would hope would be a good plan to address it.

aidelmaidel · 01/11/2018 13:46

comes from a family where men aren't expected to lift a finger so that's no doubt where a lot of this comes from

Yup. Since infancy he's been taught that house stuff is wimmin's work. He's (maybe subconsciously) being a sexist cunt. His brain probably is wired this way by now, brains being what they are. Good news is he can rewire it if he really wants. Bad news is you might have to move out before he realizes that.

By the way, the bit about not upending your DC's lives- is it better that they should carry on learning this model of relationship?

There are executive functioning coaches who can help with this sort of thing. He can hire help if he wants to.

I dated a man like this once. He had no savings because he was always getting fined for paying things late. No health coverage (it was Abroad where you have to stay on top of paperwork). His internet was always getting cut off because he didn't pay the bills. He had awful vermin because he couldn't get it together to clean. He wore rags because he was hopeless at laundry. He used to get paid in cash and then lose the cash before getting to the bank. I broke up with him. He's still single and living in filth.

HagueBlue · 01/11/2018 13:48

Storm that's a good suggestion, I'll speak to him this evening and ask him to nominate some tasks that he can do in their entirety without my supervision.

Cooking could well be one of them, if we agree that the scope also includes cleaning up after himself, and probably doing the grocery shop too so he has what he needs. I'll see what he says. Thanks again.

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Graphista · 01/11/2018 13:49

Not surprising if that's his family background and hindsight is perfect vision etc but I think for the benefit of anyone reading who finds themselves with a man like this pre DC I'd warn them not to even CONSIDER DC unless he changed FIRST.

Why exactly do you claim he loves you/the DC? Cos honestly actions speak louder than words and his actions are saying the opposite - he sounds like a total Disney dad! That's not mature or acceptable at all!

There WILL be things you are doing that are just for him - laundry, cooking, admin of stuff relating just to him. I would at least stop doing these and tell him why.

But honestly the more you write the more I think you're all better off without him.

You talk about your dread of a broken family - in a situation like this I think it's preferable to a broken wife/mother which is where this is headed - and honestly I don't think this guy would be at all supportive or practical in the event of your being no longer able to run everything.

It's not easy as Lp but there are some situations where it's easier than being a parent in a relationship where for all intents and purposes you have another child just in the shape of a grown arse adult who also expects sex! In addition this set up is teaching your DC that men get pampered and served while women have to do everything - not a healthy example to DC of either sex and doing THEM a disservice re their future relationships.

I'd find that a massive turn off and hugely resentment inducing!

If things continue as they are that resentment will turn to disgust and eventually indifference (which is the true opposite to love - and actually he's already being indifferent to you, which is partly why I question if he really loves you).

I'd be sending him that link again and VERY BLOODY CLEARLY saying to him that if he cares for you at all he'll read it AND seriously consider the issues raised in it AND TELL HIM don't ask TELL him things need to change now or else! That you're not his bloody mother or nanny he's a grown adult who needs to stop being fucking lazy and pull his weight.

AnElderlyLadyOfMediumHeight · 01/11/2018 13:49

My dh is a little bit like this, over some things. But if I make it clear that something is his thing, he'll do it, and there is absolutely no suggestion of strategic incompetence on his part - tbh he pulls more than his weight and there's stuff I virtually never have to bother with. And he'd never, ever forget a parents' evening. I WFH and tend to be the one with the family admin overview. But every now and then I travel for work (usually for the day but sometimes overnight) and, although I run through everything before I go, he's never once dropped any balls.

Short version is, I suppose, that you'll probably have a sense of whether being like this is a personality thing whose downsides he either attempts to compensate off his own bat or are outweighed by other things with which he makes your life easier, or whether there really is a 'fuck you' behind it. In my case it's the former.

HagueBlue · 01/11/2018 13:50

aidel in our lighter moments DH jokes that he'd be jobless and on the street in rags if he'd never met me. But I'm sure he'd have glommed on to some other lucky lady who'd be washing his pants right now.

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Dontfeellikeaskeleton · 01/11/2018 13:53

I feel your pain op.

It was like pulling teeth to get my dh to cook, but now he's finally making béchamel from scratch.

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