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How did Fred and George know to say...

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FantasticHarryPotter · 12/10/2018 16:45

I solemnly swear I am up to no good?

I mean it's pretty specific, isn't it?

Any other HP questions you'd like to know the answers too? We can share our theories too.
NB: going through a depressive episode so talking about one of my teenage passions adult passions.

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PrincessWire · 13/10/2018 08:02

I've also thought that about Pettigrew on the map. It hadn't occurred to me to wonder about Fred and George knowing the password, I'm glad it's been answered!

WinkysTeatowel · 13/10/2018 08:08

Percy's age is wrong. According The The Goblet of Fire he passes his apparition test that Summer ( just before the Quidditch World Cup) but he's already left school so should have already turned 18 and 'come of Age' at 17in his 6th year.

Conversely, F&G start apparating at the start of Order of the Phoenix when they are going into the 6th year.

It's inconsistent...

HarrySnotter · 13/10/2018 08:12

no one knew the potters had changed their secret keeper at the last moment did they?

This has bothered me a lot too! 😂

WingsofNylon · 13/10/2018 08:14

Minecraft I don't recall there being any school fees. It isn't a private school, surely? However I suppose there are the uniform, books etc.

Volant · 13/10/2018 08:18

Look what it said to Snape

I can't remember, what did it say?

MinecraftHolmes · 13/10/2018 08:20

I just googled it and JK confirmed it’s covered by the Ministry. I can’t remember why but I had some sort of notion in my head that there was financial help available for some of the pupils but maybe that was to cover the costs of all the equipment?

Doyoumind · 13/10/2018 08:20

Yes, Harry does see PP on the map when he's a rat. The reason why the map doesn't show many people when Harry uses it is because it's usually at night or when there aren't many people around. It isn't selective. I would have thought F & G would notice a man in Ron's bed!

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FantasticHarryPotter · 13/10/2018 08:24

There is a bursary as Tom Riddle accesses it when Dumbledore showed Harry his memory.

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TheHatOfDoom · 13/10/2018 08:28

winky maybe Percy failed his Apparition test a few times?

SmallBee · 13/10/2018 08:31

The school itself is free. But I think there is a bursary to help students with clothing and equipment.

Groovee · 13/10/2018 08:32

Didn't the map comment on Snape's large nose.

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 08:38

no one knew the potters had changed their secret keeper at the last moment did they

But it was changed from SB to PP because SB though RL was a spy for V. The fidelius charm allows the Secret Keeper to tell whoever they like so long as they tell them willingly. He was a traitor all along and therefore revealed the location freely to V.

greathat · 13/10/2018 08:38

I think HP does have issues. It's why never goes to an adult for help.

bruffin · 13/10/2018 08:42

Percy is an august baby,so would not have turned 18 until after he had left school, like my dh who was 15 when he had left school and was working when he turned 16. (percy's birthday is the day before dh)

MrsBartlettforthewin · 13/10/2018 08:45

But it was changed from SB to PP because SB though RL was a spy for V. The fidelius charm allows the Secret Keeper to tell whoever they like so long as they tell them willingly. He was a traitor all along and therefore revealed the location freely to V.

I know that. What I meant is SB knew the change but other than that didn't everyone else still think it was SB and that is why they all thought he was guilty?

buddhasbelly · 13/10/2018 08:52

Scabbers was percy's old rat... Surely Fred and George would've checked on their older brother's whereabouts when getting up to mischief given Percy's "must follow the rules" personality.

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 08:52

Also RE: the map. It only shows Hogwarts so would be of no use to you in another location. It would still only show Hogwarts. I can well believe that once the school was filled with hundreds of students that you’d miss the name PP unless you had reason to be looking for it or it happened to be at the forefront of your mind. Explains why F&G don’t notice the name but HP does after having a discussion about PP. I believe it is in the book similarly to how it is in the film- HP sees PP ok the map, goes looking, passes him according to the map and then gets caught by SS. The MM insults SS and the RL takes the map to be inspected. Obviously at this point HP is unaware that RL is Moony and therefore one of the Marauders. I believe he tells RL that he doesn’t think the map is always correct as it showed someone who he knows to be dead- PP. It’s after this that RL works out that SB has been set up. No one would know that PP was the Potter’s new Secret Keeper because he only ever told V- only upon his death would the people who knew about the charm then become SKs. Presumably because V and PP had already broken the charm that is why no one twigged that PP wasn’t really dead- if he had died and the charm still been intact then all who knew about the charm would have become SKs but since the charm was already broken then no one was any the wiser until HP spots PP on the map and tells RL. Who knew about him being an unregistered animagus (as they all were to help him with his transformations) and joins the dots.

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 08:53

Oh and the map says:

“Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs
Purveyors of Aids to Magical Mischief-Makers
are proud to present
THE MARAUDER'S MAP”

Which suggests it would assist those who it believes to be “mischief makers” which F&G fit into quite well!!

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 08:59

I know that. What I meant is SB knew the change but other than that didn't everyone else still think it was SB and that is why they all thought he was guilty?

Sorry yes! I’m with you now 😂 I think SB knew of the change but couldn’t know exactly who was chosen as he hadn’t had the secret told to him by the SK- even if he actually suggested PP. He frames SB after the deceit of L&J was revealed. He also frames him for the murders of the 12 muggles whilst faking his own death.

MrsBartlettforthewin · 13/10/2018 09:01

Sorry yes! I’m with you now 😂 I think SB knew of the change but couldn’t know exactly who was chosen as he hadn’t had the secret told to him by the SK- even if he actually suggested PP. He frames SB after the deceit of L&J was revealed. He also frames him for the murders of the 12 muggles whilst faking his own death.

Exactly 😄

Littlebelina · 13/10/2018 09:01

I thought Harry seeing Peter on the map was just in the film? However Lupin sees him on the map when Sirius drags Ron to the shack so animagus can be seen

PrivateParkin · 13/10/2018 09:01

Re Sirius, I suppose people probably thought he was just reverting to type. He was a gryffindor and worked for the Order after he left school, but he came from a long line of Slytherins/Voldemort supporters. So maybe it seemed natural that side
of him would come out eventually.

He was thrown into Azkaban without a trial, which is the bit that bothers me most in the books, as he never gets justice. And has to live of rats etc.

I don't understand why Dumbledore or someone didn't just give him polyjuice potion after he was captured and locked in the north tower of Hogwarts at the end of book 3? That would have saved a lot of hassle, and justice would have been served. Poor Sirius Sad

PrivateParkin · 13/10/2018 09:03

Gaah I don't mean polyjuice potion! I mean veritaserum, the truth potion. If he'd had the that would have had a cast iron version of what really happened, and been on the front foot re Voldemort's return.

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 09:13

@PrivateParkin because you can’t coerce the secret out of a secret keeper. Once the charm is in effect even the person who cast it (AD) wouldn’t be able to tell you what the charm was protecting or who the secret keeper is. They had no way of telling, even with veritaserum, if what he was saying was true as they shouldn’t have had any memory of what happened until PP revealed the secret himself or he dies. Which does actually beg the question why no one realised something was amiss with the story but i suppose that’s one of the things with fiction- plot holes, lack of explanation. The book would be even longer if we were told everything Grin

I guess what happens is: L&J betrayed, logical SK would be SB (and presumably AD remembers this bit! But can’t tell them that it wasn’t him in the end), L&J killed, SB presumed as traitor but no one can actually reveal that it was/wasn’t him due to the charm? Although the charm was broken when V killed L&J so I’m not sure how it works. Plot holes!! Or maybe it wasn’t broken and it all into properly comes to light when PP reveals it to them. SB would have an inkling because he knows it wasn’t him, but because he can’t actually tell anyone who it was then that only compounds the “reverted to Slytherin type”.

I’m dizzy from going round in circles. I’ve even opened up HP wikia now and I still don’t quite get it 😂

NoParticularPattern · 13/10/2018 09:15

Only properly comes to light. I can’t type either now

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