Neighbour shouting in communal corridors about killing someone with a knife (title edited by MNHQ)

[Itsmeaga1n]

So last night it all kicked off in the building I live in .. a neighbour on my corridor was screaming about killing someone with a knife, about killing the police, about buying drugs and them stealing her money ... the police were called (not by me) and arrested her. She shouted that she's bipolar and hadnt taken her medication. Also before the police arrived she used racist language beginning with p followed by a word rhyming with hunt.

I'm shaken, scared to go out of my flat at night (I'm a single parent, my dd is 17 and I definitely don't want her out on her own).

Is there anything I can do to have this person removed ? I feel she should be in sheltered accommodation as she's dangerous. I live in a housing association flat but not sheltered so she's not supervised.

I have wveey sympathy for people who have mental health problems.

I have a mental illness myself.

I care for 3 other people who also have chronic, mental health problems.

I would not approach / engage or want to become involved in the care of a mentally ill STRANGER chasing people around in public with a knife.

I would however want the authoraties that me and my children are safe.

The op has done absolutely nothing wrong. Hell, if I was the op id consider moving.

Im allowed to say this. I still have glass in my forehead from where a mentally ill person lashed out at me during an outburst and put my head through a mirror.

Not their fault. They werent in control of their actions at the time but that doesnt mean it didnt hurt or that I wasnt stupid for misjudging when I stepped in (( they were self harming ))

No, I wouldn’t be happy. I’d talk to the HA. But jumping straight to “she must be removed” is just crap:

Indont think it is. But I understand why you are worried, but basically you are suggesting a MH person should be taken away even though you have not been directly affected.

If she was considered a threat to herself or there she would have been sectioned.

MH issues have huge stigma attached. No-polar Disorder is Notoriously difficult to diagnose as often as the GP often only sees them during depressive phase. If they are then prescribed anti-depressants, when they get to a manic phase then the ant-depressants have a very detrimental effect - making the manic phase even worse.

But we don’t know what’s wrong with her, but if she had been a serious risk she would not have been placed back in her house.

There is a significance difference between shouting about being violent, and being violent.

There is a significance difference between shouting about being violent, and being violent

Not if you’re the person scared for their safety in their own home. No-one should have to live in fear.

She is bi polar and hasn’t had her meds

That might be the case but there may be other issues as well

It’s all very well people claiming that you need to be more understanding what is needed more is support for those with serious mh issues many need a lot more support to live in and he community than they get no one should be feeling at risk form living next to someone with serious my issues

@Chocolatecoffeeaddict

Reported your 18:54 post.

Aside from the personal attacked (not to me) your ableist views are disgusting and you are complicit in the stigma attached to those with MH issues.

I sincerely hope you never experience them yourself.

so I’m sanctimonious because I think it’s OTT to want someone literally thrown out of their home over one incident?

The person has mental health issues, they need help. Yes, speak to the HA, the police and whatever but don’t jump straight to “this person is not capable of living here”.

I’ve had my fair share of frightening incidents with neighbours. Never once have I jumped straight to “they have a mental illness and must be thrown out”.

Interesting report for those concerned about risk mentally ill people pose to others

www.mind.org.uk/media/998781/Violence-and-mental-health-Mind-factsheet-2014.pdf

And this is an important quote from it:

Reducing Stigma

Many people who experience mental health problems don’t seek help. This is often because they fear being stigmatised, or locked up if they talk about violent thoughts or urges. Encouraging openness allows people to seek access help more easily.

Tbh if this was a man I think people would say different things.

This thread could so easily be about me. I’ve been that bipolar neighbour shouting about knives and getting arrested.
I needed medication changed, not locked up or supported living. I’m perfectly safe to be around.

Yes it’s clearly fine to have no sympathy for men with MH issues.

This person was not violent to any person, only shouted, yet this justifies locking them away. Good grief.

I wonder how many people with undiagnosed MH conditions have read this thread and decided the mustn’t ever disclose to anyone? A much bigger problem.

Fucking hell this is surely the ultimate woke thread on Mumsnet?!

Make the op feel bad about feeling scared why don't you? Arseholes.

You can be sympathetic and also not want to live close to that situation.

I can't honestly imagine anyone wants to live in a block of flats with the police being called out multiple times, someone screaming about knives, stabbings and drugs.

No, the issue isn’t being scared. The issue is the statement “how do I get this
Person removed”

If there are drug dealers and users knocking about, it doesn't take a genius to work out that the bipolar neighbour is extremely vulnerable and may end up giving house room to them. The 'drug cuckoos' mentioned upthread.

She is vulnerable, possibly using drugs, quite possibly allowing drugs to be used or dealt within and from her home.

This is antisocial and criminal behaviour and must be recorded by the HA, SS and the police.

I disagree with the other posters. YANBU to be scared, both of her and her associates.

Not everyone is saying they need to be taken away and locked up

But what is needed is for people with my issues to be supported so less incidents like this happen

It’s isnt fair that other people’s lives are disrupted because services are cut and those needing support are not getting adequate support

And having the police four times in a month

Of course you are worried perfectly understandable

And let’s face it you will get a much higher concentration of people who are supported living in the community on council estates, in ha, and areas that already have issues with crime etc than you will in smarter areas with less social issues

I have no idea what a woke thread is. But if it means one which highlights the stigma faced by those with MH issues then yes that would make it woke.

And i wouldn’t call those ableist people arseholes but I’d say they need to look at their prejudices.

She not taking her meds and inviting drug dealers round, presumably she's buying and taking said drugs

That's the issue. She should be reported for the drugs as it's breach of tenancy

MH issues are separate

You can be mentally ill and an arsehole neighbour too.

This sounds really horrible OP. Unfortunatly in social housing you don’t have total freedom of movement, presumably you’re considered in housing need and therefore will get very little choice of available preoperties in most areas.
This is, I’m afraid, the reality. Very few people can get up and move when they see something they don’t like, but in your situation you have even less choice than most.

The HA won’t evict her no, not for this anyway. Your options are to start complaining about her (this is unlikely to lead to her eviction, but might make you feel like you’re doing something) or start researching how to move either through giving notice and re bidding or a home swap.

Of course, you could end up next door to people like you describe anywhere really, particular if you need to stay in social housing

This isn't a thread about the stigma faced by people with mental health issues. This is a thread about OP being frightened in her own home.

I understand op, I've lived next door to drug dealer and it was very frightening and one night a guy was stabbed on the landing. Contact the HA and keep a log of all incidences.

Fucking hell this is surely the ultimate woke thread on Mumsnet?!

Isn't it, though.

unfortunately the cuckoos will not go until the neighbour is removed - and meantime they will assault and rob her blind, knowing they can do it because she wont be able to assist police.

this is knowledge I wish I didn t have but the scum who deal drugs have no limits. and anyone who buys that oh-so-harmless recreational drug is complicit. tell your kids next festival season.