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Friends Demon Child

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CanWeJust · 08/12/2017 23:54

Id like to ask you all wwud to get across my friend bluntly she is raising a Demon child and she needs to do something about it!!! Sorry if it's so long!Please stick with me.

He's 10 and he's best friends with my DS - though both are in different schools so mostly see each other weekends / occasionally after school for a bit. There has never been an issue between them until recently (they have been friends since they were both 6 months old when me and his mum met) and since then they've been inseparable really due to me and my friend being so close.

Recently (since around February) her sons attitude seems to have been getting worse and worse. Hes always been 'cheeky' but its stepped up a notch to where he talks back - and I don't mean a bit of regular childish tantrums I mean he speaks to my DF like he's son stroppy 16 year old language wise. He gives me attitude if/when I babysit and literally shows no respect to anyone recently, though is incredibly polite and well mannered in school.

In fact, to others he's an absolute angel.

If my friends there and he begins talking to me like shit I'll tell him straight not to speak to me like that and he gets really shocked and confused - then upset. But I'm fighting a losing battle because she will then cheer him up by getting him a treat so I feel like she's undermining my own authority with him. It's come to the point now when I try tell him off for speaking like that to me he just smirks and goes "what are you going to do? That's right nothing." With absolute confidence.

With this building months in the making me and my DF a few weeks ago had a huge row, because when he says things like this to me and I tell her she just laughs saying things like "isn't he so cheeky?" "Did he really say that? He's going to be a right character when he's older isn't he?" She's genuinely proud.

She seems to see his attitude as funny as when he gives her it she always laughs /smiles. She even brags about it to others and they laugh with her because how she phrases it - without his nasty conviction - so it does seem quite funny to think of her seemingly well behaved little Angel coming out with such things.

I told her I wouldn't tolerate his attitude to me anymore and she promised to start clamping down on it and she has made some efforts - but his punishments are superficial. She will sternly tell him it's wrong then in the next breath offer him more treats promise him a toy etc. I'll admit he's calmed somewhat with his attitude towards me but I don't think it's acceptable still. A child his age shouldn't speak to anyone like he does.

He has begun to hit my DF as well, punching her in the face or kicking her as hard as he could. He first time I witnessed it I was absolutely shocked, more so because she just laughed and acted like it was no big deal when he then screamed at her and stormed upstairs.

The second time I piped up and told him he shouldn't hit her, to which he turned to me in mild confusion and apologised. Since then he's never done it in front of me but still hits her because she often phones me because he's wholloped her and she wants someone to speak to whilst he finishes raging in his room.

But she always has an excuse. He's had a hard day, he's hungry, he's tired etc etc. I've spent hours telling her she needs to nip it in the bud but she won't punish him. She never has and she tells me that he's just going through a phase. It will pass.

Then there's the things he says when he's giving attitude. He threatens to kill himself. Kill her. Kill their pet dog. Kill his Grandad. Hes fascinated with death and often openly speaks about when me and DF will die, Google about murder and likes to write stories about the world ending. Maybe just a phase this fascination but it worries me... I don't feel comfortable listening to a 10 year old chatter so happily about how he can't wait until we all die and can leave him to do what he likes.

When she does punish him for doing something really horrific he purposely hurts himself by slapping his face several times until she relents and tries to appease him. As I've mentioned when he gets away with things he gives this smirky looks and it's beginning to really rub me the wrong way.

Two weekends ago I was babysitting and he and DS were sat watching TV when my DS called their dog to come to him. Her son sighed loudly and snapped "just because your mum's too poor to buy you a dog doesn't mean you can call mine like you own him." I was in the hall but overheard so told him not to say things like that. He scoffed and stormed upstairs.

I decided to have a chat with him and asked if there was a reason he acted like he did and said nasty things. He just shrugged and said it was "because he could." I told him he was acting like a bully to me and his mum and that his comment to my DS was unkind. He looked me dead in the eye and said "then maybe you shouldn't be so mean and buy him nice toys, like mine."

I was completely baffled. As I've mentioned my friends spoils him rotten (games and consoles when it's not even his birthday/christmas) - he breaks something during his paddys and he gets a replacement immediately. My DS is by no means hard done by but I certainly don't lavish him. But explaining this to a child of 10 with an attitude problem was next to impossible.

Later that night I asked my son if he's ever said anything like that before (through my chat with DF's son it became apparent he considers me 'poor') and my son admitted when they were alone playing he often said nasty things, but my DS knew there was no point telling my DF because the one time he did she just laughed it off.

I brought it up with her and she just gave me a huge speel about how her DS was in a bad mood that night, how when my DS came to her it was a typical child's argument and my DS is blowing things out of proportion, that what her son said was obviously him making things up in his moodiness.

I told my DS if he says nasty things again to tell me immediately.

Last Tuesday I was tucking in DS when he said he had something to tell me and made me promise I wouldn't get mad. He confided that her DS liked to squeeze him - his arms, legs etc when he says nasty things and that it had happened that day when they were playing. He said her DS snapped because my DS wasn't playing Lego 'right' and he grabbed him, squeezed and told him he was "stupid and no wonder your mum doesn't love you." And something in regards to us being poor again.

There was no bruises but my DS said hes sometimes a bit red after, but that friends DS always checks him over and declares 'that didn't hurt, did it?' And will start a game again like nothing happened.

I asked why he'd never told me before about it and he said DF's son had warned him that if he told nothing would happen because his mum let's him do what he likes. And I realised how believable it would be to my DS because she reallydoesand DS has witnessed my DF's child get away with horrendous behaviour without consequence.

I feel guilty that my DS has been subjected to this and have been avoiding her because I know I'm frustrated over the whole situation and would just snap, saying something I'd regret. I know it's my fault for allowing DS to witness this and for not removing him from it sooner, she is my closest DF and when there's not issues with her DS we are really close and have so much in common.

I'm at a loss as what to do here because I'm clearly giving advise to death ears, but at the same time I'm watching her raise an absolute demon and I want no part of it for my DS and myself. Other friends have told me I need to say something, since me and her are so close. I've calmed down a lot now and I know I need to say something... I just don't know what. I feel like I've said everything before and she doesn't listen, but I can't let my DS remain in that situation.

So... Tips on how to tell DF she's raising a demon child and that I don't want my DS around hers until she does something about it please??

((So may be relevant to know; she's a single mum and her DS has never met his dad so no male authority. He's been tested for ADHD and Autism and though he may have very 'mild' autism it's not enough to need special classes / meetings etc because he functions perfectly fine in school / outside at his clubs / fine with his school friends and is well thought of as a lovely little boy. His horrific behaviour is reserved mostly with her. When he gives attitude to me is generally after a strop over something as mild as she'd forgot to buy X treat or he wants X toy and he's lashing out. His behaviour towards my son however... I'm not sure where that stems from!!!))

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Viviennemary · 09/12/2017 00:01

I quickly scanned through this. The trouble is you can't tell other people how to bring up their children no matter how much you disapprove of their methods. Don't baby sit any more if he's difficult with you. It really is not your place to say anything to this Mother. If you can't keep quiet then stop seeing them.

TheQueenOfWands · 09/12/2017 00:01

Christ. Cut them both off.

No ifs. No buts.

This kid bullies you and your child and his mother let's him.

She's not your friend. She's using you for babysitting and her kid knows it. She must say this stuff to him, it doesn't come from nowhere.

Text her and tell her you're done.

totsalot · 09/12/2017 00:06

Cut them out OP. She's using you and this kid has serious issues that you and your son don't deserve to have to deal with. I'm pretty chilled out with most things, but this sounds awful. Poor you and your DS putting up with all this Flowers

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Couchpotato3 · 09/12/2017 00:08

You can't subject your child to any more of this horrible behaviour. If she is a good enough friend, then she will understand if you explain that your DS has been upset by it and that you think the boys need a break from each other. You can still see her, but without your son. If that doesn't work, then you may have to let the friendship go. Agree with other posters that you can't tell her how to raise her son. If she turns to you for advice, that's another matter, but unsolicited advice is never welcome or acted upon.

tiptopteepe · 09/12/2017 00:10

Id be very worried about his behaviour towards your son. Its one thing for a child to be a bit wild and cheeky to you or his mum but if a child is being violent and emotionally abusive towards you son then thats when you cut it off I think. Can you try and withdraw without causing too much of a scene? It must be hard for your friend who im sure is doing what she thinks is best and doesnt seem that receptive to your ideas about what would help. Id try and cut the time your son spends alone with her son, Your priority is protecting your son. Im not sure theres much you can do for her and her son seeing as how you have offerred advice and brought it up before and it has been ignored.

CanWeJust · 09/12/2017 00:16

Not making excuses for her but I'd just like to say that I just re-read my post and I know it comes across I babysit a lot but I actually don't, mostly it's just me visiting the house for a catch up / for the boys to play etc.

I know I should cut her out, but we have been through a lot together (me losing an aunt I was close too, her dad and mum divorcing). We have been best friends for years and this is really tearing me up.

I probably come across as interfering but I wasn't trying to be I'm genuinely worried because this isn't normal behaviour and I don't like how she's normalising it - I've known her DC almost all his life and I hate seeing what he's becoming.

Do you think I shouldn't say anything then and just keep... Well, avoiding seeing her? I suppose we could have a friendship still if I separate our DC, but then that will raise questions... My DS keeps asking when he can go round and play because despite everything DF'S son is his best friend. Sad

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Mumof56 · 09/12/2017 00:19

Stop babysitting and tell your friend it's because of his behaviour. Busy your son with something else at weekend's.

DoItAgainBob · 09/12/2017 00:29

I had a situation really similar to this. My poor DS was on the end of a fair bit of unacceptable behaviour and I was worried it would provide a crap model for his future friendships.

I remember once he wanted my sons drink and I said no and that his mum had gone to get him one. He was shocked and furious, looked me straight in the eyes and said 'you can't say no to me'. He was 5! My friend didn't like to use they word no apparently as she felt it was too negative Hmm

Anyway I see far less of them now and life is so much better! If you have vastly differently parenting styles but like her, just catch up in the evening.

tiptopteepe · 09/12/2017 00:30

You dont have to cut her off and you could give her advice if she comes to you for advice.. but I do really think that you have to keep your son away from hers. Being treated like you have described him being treated could effect him and his self esteem for his whole life.

Christmascardqueen · 09/12/2017 00:35

time to move on, the relationship isn't working for you or your son.

DoItAgainBob · 09/12/2017 00:37

I would add we are still friends and so are the DC's but it's on a different, less intense level these days and e retune seems happier.

3luckystars · 09/12/2017 00:38

You need to put your child first and keep away from them completely. Just make up a list of excuses and use them. Move well away.

Good luck.

soapboxqueen · 09/12/2017 00:42

The asd/adhd may be entirely relevant for this boy. Many people have to fight hard for years to get diagnosis for their children. It sounds like this mum is struggling to cope with a violent child. Even if she gets a diagnosis for him, help and support will be thin on the ground. The chances of support without it pretty much nil.

However, this is not your cross to bear and certainly not your ds's. You can be there for her but cut contact for your ds and yourself with her son. If she asks for advice give it but if she's struggling, your input is probably just making her feel worse. If she's just disregarding it, you're wasting your breath.

Cavender · 09/12/2017 00:46

You need to start protecting your son.

Stop babysitting.
Stop play dates at either house.

Continue to see your friend but only without the children.

Your first duty is to your son.
It sounds like he's been bullying your lad for years.

Encourage your DS in other, healthier friendships.

candlesandbaubles · 09/12/2017 00:51

This sounds much like classic Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) and the boy's mother is struggling to cope (in denial to the outside world).

whiteroseredrose · 09/12/2017 07:14

I think you need to be straight with her. Being subtle isn't working. I don't like how your son treats and speaks to mine nor how he speaks to me. Happy to meet up with you but without the boys.

Does her DS have other friends? If so, is he the same with them?

NovemberWitch · 09/12/2017 07:22

Your son is in an abusive relationship with his ‘best friend’ and you are facilitating it. End it. Support your son in finding healthier friendships, he should be your top priority.

laurzj82 · 09/12/2017 07:32

I thought PDA too Sad But you need to remove poor DS from that situation. Can you meet up without the children?

NovemberWitch · 09/12/2017 07:34

If he’s fine in school and can switch the behaviour on and off at will, maybe it’s just crap parenting.

CheeseyToast · 09/12/2017 07:35

Don't make excuses for her, for him or yourself. No buts. You are enabling an abusive relationship and the only right thing to do is to get the hell out. Or at least get your son well away. The poor kid is being bullied, hurt and learning that relationships are unhealthy, one-sided and painful.

AuntieStella · 09/12/2017 07:39

You can be friends with her without your DC being friends.

You will have to let his behaviour just roll over you on the times you meet him. As you need to move contact with your friend to adult occasions, those times will be minimal. That will, I hope, kill your unfortunate urge to tell your friend how to parent.

You can blame all sorts of other things why the boys are less close (school, diverging interests, prior engagement) so they can come together again in future if the want to.

Scruffette · 09/12/2017 07:49

I was in a situation where I did not like how my friend parented her child and having my child saying: why's she getting toys when you said no toys allowed (or whatever: no rules enforced). It wasn't nearly as bad as yours. The kids in my situation were also in different schools and I just always saw my friends without kids. Or talked on the phone. It was not difficult and our girls are now 16 and haven't met up in years.

lorisparkle · 09/12/2017 07:51

I do agree that you need to remove your ds from this situation and it all sounds like it is getting too intense all round. It is also very common for children who have a specific difficulty like asd to be able to mask it and cope fine at school but then have meltdowns at home. However it sounds like your df needs some specialist support as sometimes parenting techniques that work with the vast majority of children will not work with children with specific difficulties.

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