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Husband went too far.

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mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:04

This will be long so sorry for the novel, but it was important to include as much as possible.
I have a three year old toddler who has a habit of drawing on walls in the house. We tried putting the writing utensils up high, throwing them out, telling her no, time outs, spankings. Nothing works. She either finds one in my purse or our backpacks and hides it in her room, or she just doesn't listen at all when she is punished.
My husband and I are both in college full-time and so it is easy to not pay attention to her the entire time because we might both be studying, or he will have his headphones on listening to music, or I will be washing dishes. We have had this issue multiple times and I myself just don't understand why she doesn't get the picture yet that every time she draws on the walls she gets in trouble. She is undeniably defiant.
My husband has an anxiety disorder and is also very stubborn. His parents are in their late 50s and did all kinds of punishment from whipping to sticks to belts. He has anger issues as well and seriously needs anger management. I was spanked as well as a child with wooden spoons and belts. My parents never left bruises on me or made me bleed and I grew up to be really respectful. People tell me all the time how helpful I am and even compliment me on how I taught my daughter manners, saying "please" and "thank you". I have never been okay with him spanking my daughter and we have been in many arguments about it because I tell him we need to help each other by being consistent and punishing her the same way, but he is so stubborn he will not consider not spanking her and has the "my way or highway" attitude. He literally does not give a crap how I feel about punishing out child, and he tells me it is my fault she doesn't listen because I will not get on board with the spanking bandwagon. He says I cause the inconsistency.
I wouldn't have an issue with spanking if my husband wouldn't be so horrible about it. He literally tells me that to get kids to listen you have to instill fear into them or they will walk all over you. If she smacks the back of his head - even playfully - while he is playing games, he will smack the back of hers to tell her its not okay and he doesn't like it just like she doesn't like it. If he goes in for a spanking and she covers her butt with her hands, he will spank her hands until she moves them and then will spank her butt.
For the record, I AM NOT okay with this at all!
A lot of our marriage troubles coincide with our disagreements on punishment. I think his "put fear into them" attitude is ridiculous and only makes my daughter act out more. I have told him time and time again how I feel about it all and he never listens to me. I love my husband, but his lack of respect for my opinions and what he is "instilling" into my daughter has left me with thoughts of divorce. (We have many other issues that have brought me to these thoughts as well that I will not bring up for lack of space and because I don't think anyone wants to listen for that long. So it is not just the spanking bothering me. It is the fact that my husband seems to be getting progressively more abusive/angry.)

So the other day my daughter had spilled chocolate milk purposely on the floor and then proceeded to back talk my husband saying things like "no" and such. So he went in and spanked her butt three times. Once on the hands and then twice on her bare butt. I was angry as well because I had told her not to spill the milk and then she decided to just pour it right on the floor in front of me. I was in the middle of an online exam with a time limit so I didn't really focus on my husband spanking my daughter and I didn't get angry about it because the day was already high strung with her bad behavior. A short while after that my daughter snuck a permanent sharpie out of my backpack and went into her room and proceeded to draw all over her dresser. I was finishing up my exam and my husband was playing computer games so we did not know until she came out with sharpie on her skin.
My husband was so angry - I was too because of how many times we have told her not to write on things - and he stormed off into her room to spank her. I got up at this point because his anger was so strong I had an uneasiness in my stomach. He was trying to instill fear into her by shaking like he was angry and gritting his teeth. He grabbed her to spank her and she blocked him with her hands so he spanked her hands and then spanked her butt really hard three times. I'm not sure how hard he spanked her the first time because I was not watching, but this time I was and her butt was so red from top to bottom and he had caused two welts that bled a little. This was with his bare hands and her bare butt. She was crying so hard and didn't even want to be near him. I was furious when I saw her butt and told my husband he went too far.
He told me that hopefully the pain would be a reminder not to write on things again, and that if she didn't listen after that it would be my fault for acting angry about it in front of her. I then took her and coated her butt with butt cream because it was so red I was afraid she would blister or something. She couldn't even sit it hurt so much. My husband was furious with me for being angry with him and started shouting and causing a fight. I told him he underestimates his own strength and that he hit her harder than what he said. He then proceeded to spank himself in front of my daughter all the while acting completely angry and yelling "See! See! It doesn't hurt." (I am being completely serious here.) She of course started freaking out and crying and tried hiding in the couch because she thought he was going to spank her again. Her reaction terrified me.
He calmed down and proceeded to ignore me, and then I put her to bed after she fell asleep on me. When I came back out I was still angry and told him that if he left a mark I would be even more furious with him. He showed no signs that he felt sorry.
The next day I had work and during this time she had gotten into the chocolate syrup and got it all over her room. I was gone so I'm not sure what all happened with this incident, but he had taken my daughter to his moms. His mom told me he showed up crying because when he had changed her diaper he saw that her red butt from the night before had turned into bruises. She said he felt very sorry about it and had cried.
I didn't get to see her until the next day because I let her spend the night at her grandparents house so she wouldn't be around my husband since I had to work that following day.
When I did see her, the redness had gone away, but she had small bruises all over one of her butt cheeks. The other side showed the two welts that were healed. So after 24 hours she still had bruises, which means he hit her hard enough to cause more harm and damage.
When I discussed it with him, I told him we could no longer do spanking and that we needed to reevaluate our parenting. He told me that he was still going to do spanking, but not for awhile (?) and that he would just have to be more careful. He thinks this was a spanking gone wrong. I'm not sure what to think.
I am set to leave him, but my family member who I confided in wants me to report him so if it ever happens again there will be evidence. In my state, the law says that if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.
This is my predicament.
I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him. If I did report him he would possibly get a misdemeanor (since this is the first incident of him going too far and causing marks) and then he wouldn't be able to become a doctor with a misdemeanor. I don't want to stay with him, but I have no idea what to do, how to end it with him, etc etc.
I want to leave the marriage with no consequences (such as having to report him to keep my child, him getting a misdemeanor and going to jail, him not getting to become a doctor). I keep thinking I can just give him an ultimatum. Either stop spanking all together and go to anger management, or if he says no then me being forced to report him, which I of course don't want to do. I feel like I am in a tug of war between law and the possibility of him doing it again between him feeling horrible about it and me not wanting to hurt his future.
This may seem stupid to you guys, but I do really love my husband. I am wanting to leave him because he does not care about my feelings, he has become more aggressive since we have been married, and there are certain things I cannot forgive him for - such as cheating on me on his bachelor night that I didn't know about until four years into our marriage. I just have no idea how to leave the marriage unscathed. I am afraid to bring it up with him because he has made me feel like I am the reason the marriage is falling apart, and I don't know what his reaction will be like. My family friend is telling me to report him as well, and I don't know if I can do that. I DO NOT want my child to be hurt again, but whose to say he will ever do it again?? I feel like I would be putting a label on him that he might not deserve. I don't want to cause unreasonable damage if it is entirely possible he will never do it again. I am having a lot of trouble separating my love for him with the cold hard truth. I am so emotionally impaired due to this marriage that I don't even know what the right answers are which is why I brought the subject here.
My parents are too emotionally invested to give me honest opinions. They both despise my husband for what he has done in the past. My family friend telling me to report him has been in a spousal abuse position before with her ex-husband. So I don't know if she would be too emotionally invested due to her own experiences. Her children were never hurt by her ex. I also don't know if I am just being too stupid and making excuses for my husband. I am afraid of the impending consequences.
I keep imagining I can have a court-free divorce with no complications and that his crying was legit and he will never hurt my daughter again.

Honest answers and someone to set out the cold hard truth for me would be great. I feel like I am about to destroy my life and the life of my husband and am unable to step forward due to my feelings. I believe leaving marks with spanking is abuse and I intend to leave my husband, but I am not sure how serious to take this situation or how to end my marriage.

OP posts:
PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 22:50

Kleptronic, v well said, thank you Thanks

mmp5 · 22/09/2014 22:54

Thank you Kleptronic.

OP posts:
ilovelamp82 · 22/09/2014 23:00

Don't feel sheepish. Abusive men have a way of making you doubt your self. You've come for advice and you're now going to take the correct steps to protect her and yourself. With real life support this can be a success story. Just keep your daughter away from this man and show her that youare always going to protect her.

Kormachameleon · 22/09/2014 23:04

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PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 23:05

No need at all to feel sheepish, mmp5.

If this thread helped you to clarify your thoughts and take things forward with your counsellor, it was well worth it.
Print your OP off and take it with you - it gives a rather horrifying but succinct account on what's been going on.

alexkerr · 22/09/2014 23:05

wonderful woman you can do this! you are worth it, to be a nurse too it's a big responsibility but remember yourself and your child. you can get past this and your child will love you dearly and strong for protecting her!â??â??â??â?? be wonder woman for your child

CatWitch · 22/09/2014 23:17

I'm glad you are taking steps to remedy this situation, OP. Please know if you are in the US and reveal the details of abuse your child has endured to your counselor she/ he will be mandated to report to DCF. I would think in your position you would want to grab any available resource offered to you. Yor counselor may have the ability to connect you with services like housing, snap benefits and access to parenting classes. I hope you will find a better life for you and your baby girl, you both deserve it..

temporaryusername · 22/09/2014 23:31

Well done OP, so glad you are getting out, and will take Pacific's good advice I'm sure. I know it won't be easy, but all this is necessary. Good luck to you and your dd.

OwlCapone · 23/09/2014 07:06

I DO NOT see regular spanking as a crime.

Well, you should.

I am not against an occasional smack but regular spanking? No way.

You leaving your husband is brilliant but if your DD is to be really safe you need to take a long hard look at yourself too.

FunkyBoldRibena · 23/09/2014 07:16

OP, glad you have got out. I just want to pick you up on the regular smacking thing. If I said my husband regularly smacked me, but he didn't think it was a crime, then all the people I said that to would shout 'of course it would be a crime' and tell me to leave/report him. Your daughter can't leave, she is only a baby, and has had a pretty shit introduction to discipline already. I think you need to go on a parenting course, as well as the freedom programme, to learn some better ways of parenting your daughter. Once you have reported him, of course.

NickiFury · 23/09/2014 07:17

Glad you're leaving. But can you please try to change your mindset about "regular spanking". If you are utterly determined to hurt your child as discipline then it should be the last resort for beyond serious behaviour. Personally in 11 years of being a parent neither of my children have ever behaved so badly as to have to be hit up deal with it. It's a very old fashioned and for most people an unacceptable form of discipline.

NickiFury · 23/09/2014 07:17

Hit TO deal with it not up

upyourninja · 23/09/2014 07:35

Mmp5, wishing you the best of luck. You'll soon start to see a much happier child, I'm certain.

Just one more plea - where I'm from, regular 'spanking' (and that is synonymous with hitting in my mind) actually is a crime. It's taken that seriously. And I was never spanked as a child (occasionally tapped on the hand, about which I remember feeling such shock and fury and indignation) and I promise I am extremely respectful and polite.

My daughter lives completely without the threat of physical discipline; she is responsive to 'no' and 'stop'. She is extremely polite because we all use please and thank you a lot. She is almost three. I promise that you don't need to spank her to teach her how to be a human being. Honestly. Really.

Best of luck with your nursing. Give that girl a huge cuddle just for being who she is.

Ledkr · 23/09/2014 07:43

Spanking is not the norm and spankkng a 3 yr old certainly isn't.
It's all very well saying you are studying to give her a better life but so far that's not worked out has it?
Rather be unskilled with a happy child.
Well done for leaving tho, let's hope you can examine your own values and parenting styles too as he's. Not the only culprit in all this.

MilkThistle187 · 23/09/2014 09:02

Well done for leaving. Stay strong for your daughter and I hope you get lots of support in your new life. I hope you never consider spanking your child again, she has endured enough of that in her short life. There are lots of successful ways of disciplining children that don't involve hitting them.

Good luck to you both

123upthere · 23/09/2014 15:36

Ok tell me I'd I'm overreacting here I'm possibly being way off the mark - I don't wish to offend anyone here - but on the news this afternoon it was announced that it was a mother & baby hit by the Slough area train not looking for a third party involvement

I can't help thinking please let it not be this mother - OP if you're still reading this pls reassure us you're ok today - you're going through a lot right now to change things for your daughters better future

CultureSucksDownWords · 23/09/2014 15:41

The OP seems to be in the US so I imagine it's not them. Tragedy for whoever it was though.

123upthere · 23/09/2014 15:47

Thanks culture, yes I should have realised that thanks

Star8369 · 26/09/2014 09:47

how are you? mmp5

bustrainwalkwalk · 29/09/2014 13:41

Poor baby. Call the Police and get yourself and her the fuck away from him.

Calling it "spanking" makes it sound less awful. He assaulted her. He beat a 3 year old so hard she bled :(

If you do nothing you're just as bad as him.

Spadequeen · 01/10/2014 08:13

Well done and good luck

poorematt · 03/10/2014 22:51

Your as abusive as him! Your both to blame and you should both be ashamed!!

HibiscusIsland · 05/10/2014 12:13

I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about this poor little abused and neglected toddler. Absolutely horrific post. Please protect your child from this man immediately OP or you are totally failing her and as guilty as him.

WeAllHaveWings · 05/10/2014 13:06

Sorry I cannot read all of your OP (too upsetting). Your poor poor daughter needs protecting and, at the moment, from both of you.

Please please follow through and report your excuse of a DH to the police for child abuse to get him away from her and make sure, that if he ever gets future contact it is supervised. You cannot just leave this monster or you risk unsupervised contact in the future and put your daughter at serious physical and emotional risk.

This is the first step in a long road for you. I hope you have the strength to take it to change your poor daughters whole future.

Kth1981 · 07/10/2014 20:49

This poor child needs to be removed from his care ASAP! This is not discipline it's child abuse, she is a 3 year old baby ffs!
I think you also need to brush up on your own patenting skills as a 3 year old should not be left to their own devises whilst you are working, playing computer games etc. this is neglect. Your daughter is obviously doing all these things to get your attention as you are both too busy doing other things. She doesn't know any other way because she is still a baby. She needs to be played with and stimulated not ignored. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it's true, if you put more effort into her you'll see an improvement in her behaviour straight away. Being a mom isn't easy especially when u need to work and study etc but the child must always come first no matter what. Can she not go to day are or a relative whilst u study or take exams?