Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Husband went too far.

253 replies

mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:04

This will be long so sorry for the novel, but it was important to include as much as possible.
I have a three year old toddler who has a habit of drawing on walls in the house. We tried putting the writing utensils up high, throwing them out, telling her no, time outs, spankings. Nothing works. She either finds one in my purse or our backpacks and hides it in her room, or she just doesn't listen at all when she is punished.
My husband and I are both in college full-time and so it is easy to not pay attention to her the entire time because we might both be studying, or he will have his headphones on listening to music, or I will be washing dishes. We have had this issue multiple times and I myself just don't understand why she doesn't get the picture yet that every time she draws on the walls she gets in trouble. She is undeniably defiant.
My husband has an anxiety disorder and is also very stubborn. His parents are in their late 50s and did all kinds of punishment from whipping to sticks to belts. He has anger issues as well and seriously needs anger management. I was spanked as well as a child with wooden spoons and belts. My parents never left bruises on me or made me bleed and I grew up to be really respectful. People tell me all the time how helpful I am and even compliment me on how I taught my daughter manners, saying "please" and "thank you". I have never been okay with him spanking my daughter and we have been in many arguments about it because I tell him we need to help each other by being consistent and punishing her the same way, but he is so stubborn he will not consider not spanking her and has the "my way or highway" attitude. He literally does not give a crap how I feel about punishing out child, and he tells me it is my fault she doesn't listen because I will not get on board with the spanking bandwagon. He says I cause the inconsistency.
I wouldn't have an issue with spanking if my husband wouldn't be so horrible about it. He literally tells me that to get kids to listen you have to instill fear into them or they will walk all over you. If she smacks the back of his head - even playfully - while he is playing games, he will smack the back of hers to tell her its not okay and he doesn't like it just like she doesn't like it. If he goes in for a spanking and she covers her butt with her hands, he will spank her hands until she moves them and then will spank her butt.
For the record, I AM NOT okay with this at all!
A lot of our marriage troubles coincide with our disagreements on punishment. I think his "put fear into them" attitude is ridiculous and only makes my daughter act out more. I have told him time and time again how I feel about it all and he never listens to me. I love my husband, but his lack of respect for my opinions and what he is "instilling" into my daughter has left me with thoughts of divorce. (We have many other issues that have brought me to these thoughts as well that I will not bring up for lack of space and because I don't think anyone wants to listen for that long. So it is not just the spanking bothering me. It is the fact that my husband seems to be getting progressively more abusive/angry.)

So the other day my daughter had spilled chocolate milk purposely on the floor and then proceeded to back talk my husband saying things like "no" and such. So he went in and spanked her butt three times. Once on the hands and then twice on her bare butt. I was angry as well because I had told her not to spill the milk and then she decided to just pour it right on the floor in front of me. I was in the middle of an online exam with a time limit so I didn't really focus on my husband spanking my daughter and I didn't get angry about it because the day was already high strung with her bad behavior. A short while after that my daughter snuck a permanent sharpie out of my backpack and went into her room and proceeded to draw all over her dresser. I was finishing up my exam and my husband was playing computer games so we did not know until she came out with sharpie on her skin.
My husband was so angry - I was too because of how many times we have told her not to write on things - and he stormed off into her room to spank her. I got up at this point because his anger was so strong I had an uneasiness in my stomach. He was trying to instill fear into her by shaking like he was angry and gritting his teeth. He grabbed her to spank her and she blocked him with her hands so he spanked her hands and then spanked her butt really hard three times. I'm not sure how hard he spanked her the first time because I was not watching, but this time I was and her butt was so red from top to bottom and he had caused two welts that bled a little. This was with his bare hands and her bare butt. She was crying so hard and didn't even want to be near him. I was furious when I saw her butt and told my husband he went too far.
He told me that hopefully the pain would be a reminder not to write on things again, and that if she didn't listen after that it would be my fault for acting angry about it in front of her. I then took her and coated her butt with butt cream because it was so red I was afraid she would blister or something. She couldn't even sit it hurt so much. My husband was furious with me for being angry with him and started shouting and causing a fight. I told him he underestimates his own strength and that he hit her harder than what he said. He then proceeded to spank himself in front of my daughter all the while acting completely angry and yelling "See! See! It doesn't hurt." (I am being completely serious here.) She of course started freaking out and crying and tried hiding in the couch because she thought he was going to spank her again. Her reaction terrified me.
He calmed down and proceeded to ignore me, and then I put her to bed after she fell asleep on me. When I came back out I was still angry and told him that if he left a mark I would be even more furious with him. He showed no signs that he felt sorry.
The next day I had work and during this time she had gotten into the chocolate syrup and got it all over her room. I was gone so I'm not sure what all happened with this incident, but he had taken my daughter to his moms. His mom told me he showed up crying because when he had changed her diaper he saw that her red butt from the night before had turned into bruises. She said he felt very sorry about it and had cried.
I didn't get to see her until the next day because I let her spend the night at her grandparents house so she wouldn't be around my husband since I had to work that following day.
When I did see her, the redness had gone away, but she had small bruises all over one of her butt cheeks. The other side showed the two welts that were healed. So after 24 hours she still had bruises, which means he hit her hard enough to cause more harm and damage.
When I discussed it with him, I told him we could no longer do spanking and that we needed to reevaluate our parenting. He told me that he was still going to do spanking, but not for awhile (?) and that he would just have to be more careful. He thinks this was a spanking gone wrong. I'm not sure what to think.
I am set to leave him, but my family member who I confided in wants me to report him so if it ever happens again there will be evidence. In my state, the law says that if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.
This is my predicament.
I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him. If I did report him he would possibly get a misdemeanor (since this is the first incident of him going too far and causing marks) and then he wouldn't be able to become a doctor with a misdemeanor. I don't want to stay with him, but I have no idea what to do, how to end it with him, etc etc.
I want to leave the marriage with no consequences (such as having to report him to keep my child, him getting a misdemeanor and going to jail, him not getting to become a doctor). I keep thinking I can just give him an ultimatum. Either stop spanking all together and go to anger management, or if he says no then me being forced to report him, which I of course don't want to do. I feel like I am in a tug of war between law and the possibility of him doing it again between him feeling horrible about it and me not wanting to hurt his future.
This may seem stupid to you guys, but I do really love my husband. I am wanting to leave him because he does not care about my feelings, he has become more aggressive since we have been married, and there are certain things I cannot forgive him for - such as cheating on me on his bachelor night that I didn't know about until four years into our marriage. I just have no idea how to leave the marriage unscathed. I am afraid to bring it up with him because he has made me feel like I am the reason the marriage is falling apart, and I don't know what his reaction will be like. My family friend is telling me to report him as well, and I don't know if I can do that. I DO NOT want my child to be hurt again, but whose to say he will ever do it again?? I feel like I would be putting a label on him that he might not deserve. I don't want to cause unreasonable damage if it is entirely possible he will never do it again. I am having a lot of trouble separating my love for him with the cold hard truth. I am so emotionally impaired due to this marriage that I don't even know what the right answers are which is why I brought the subject here.
My parents are too emotionally invested to give me honest opinions. They both despise my husband for what he has done in the past. My family friend telling me to report him has been in a spousal abuse position before with her ex-husband. So I don't know if she would be too emotionally invested due to her own experiences. Her children were never hurt by her ex. I also don't know if I am just being too stupid and making excuses for my husband. I am afraid of the impending consequences.
I keep imagining I can have a court-free divorce with no complications and that his crying was legit and he will never hurt my daughter again.

Honest answers and someone to set out the cold hard truth for me would be great. I feel like I am about to destroy my life and the life of my husband and am unable to step forward due to my feelings. I believe leaving marks with spanking is abuse and I intend to leave my husband, but I am not sure how serious to take this situation or how to end my marriage.

OP posts:
Iggly · 07/10/2014 20:54

Is this a joke?

My blood ran cold reading this.

  1. you're taking the piss by ignoring your daughter while you study. She's 3, she gets free childcare for 15 hours
  2. your partner is disgusting. Hitting a child like that!?

I'm going to report your post because a toddler is being seriously abused, if this is real. Fucking hell.

Minerves · 11/10/2014 02:59

He is abusing her and you are letting him. You need to take her away from this situation NOW she is THREE ffs, your supposed to protect her!

SickAndScaredOfThisHarassment · 11/10/2014 03:29

Read the full thread OP HAS LEFT AND SOUGHT HELP!!!

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/10/2014 03:42

Oh God. How awful. I'm speechless and very glad you've acted.

I need to read the 10 pages after your post, but I was left so shaken I'm going to read the rest tomorrow.

Thanks to Sick for posting that the OP has left.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/10/2014 04:08

Have read the rest, glad you're taking steps to remove that man from your lives.

Horrifying that you appear unashamed and quite happy to state you think 'smacking' is still fine. Can't imagine why you'd think violence against an already neglected and abused toddler would ever be a good thing. Not that surprising that you got in a situation where you let someone do damage to your child, when you think it's ok really in some measure.

The way you talk about it is disturbing and it sounds like you do alot more than a light tap yourself. I am hoping that's a side effect of the abuse you are suffering and not something you will continue to practise.

I don't want you to lose momentum on leaving your abusive relationship and taking a first step towards protecting your baby, but at some point I hope you look at your own behaviour too.

Parenting classes at a minimum surely to help you towards less neglectful parenting? Doesnt matter what you're planning / working towards for the future, it doesnt excuse even a moment of neglect today. And maybe one day you'll see that hitting a child is always unacceptable.

I wish you luck on your long journey.

AddictedtoGreys · 11/10/2014 19:15

if you stay with your husband you might as well be beating her yourself as you are allowing this to happen.

What would you do if someone other than your husband did this to her? how would you feel then? would you do nothing?

yes you should leave him, I'm glad you have come to that decision. but he should never have unsupervised access to her.

and he is becoming a doctor?? with a temper like that? god help his patients.

I think its absolutely disgusting. your daughter should love your husband not fear him. he's just teaching her that men beat women and that's the relationship she will end up with as a woman. and teach her daughter the same, and the cycle continues.

If my DH even tried to smack my DS who is currently 16 months, he would be the one ending up with the bruises. and possibly a divorce. Angry

usualnamechanger · 11/10/2014 19:29

Fuck his career. If he cared he wouldn't have hit your daughter. I'm not against a smack or two, but this is abuse. You are not supposed to leave marks on the skin and she bled. How old is she? It seems she is doing all she can for attention. Why was your husband playing games when you had an exam? He should have been keeping an eye on her. But he sounds as someone who can't be trusted. Get rid of him op ASAP.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/10/2014 23:44

You may find this interesting. Even at 15mths, toddlers react to anger and adjust their behaviour accordingly. They are very very aware of what's going on in their worlds.

study on toddlers reaction to anger

LittleBearPad · 12/10/2014 08:10

RTFT. The OP has left him.

Jinglebells99 · 12/10/2014 09:09

but mmp5 hasn't said anything on the thread since September? I am horrified by this thread and would like to see an update.

LittleBearPad · 12/10/2014 09:17

But that's not how this works. You don't get to see an update if the OP doesn't want to return.

minibmw2010 · 16/10/2014 13:18

Yes he went too far, way too far .. You need to look at your own parenting too, you're both ignoring that little girl at times. Remove her from him and do not leave them alone together again !!! Hmm

minibmw2010 · 16/10/2014 13:19

Sorry, just seen updates.

AnniDollxox · 22/10/2014 11:22

I'm all for a quick spank of they are out of line, biting back to show it hurts etc but never to bruise or male them bleed! That's awful! I have anger problems from past unresolved issues but I would never loose my cool on my daughter, my past problems have nothing to do with her.
I think it's time to take her an leave, it's not on at all! Talk to him first, see if he is willing to change but if it's a flat out no then take your baby as far away from him as possible and don't look back!
Hitting a child so hard it leaves a mark is NEVER the answer to an issue they have! It may be annoying and a pain in the ass if they keep doing something that's annoying but making them bleed is immoral, illegal and just plain stupid! Your husband is a douche!

froootbat · 22/10/2014 21:41

Your poor little girl, and poor you! Nobody should be terrified of their parents.
He didn't just spank your little girl, he beat her it is NEVER ok to hit a child, let alone leave a mark, and whether he was sorry or not I wouldn't leave my husband alone with my child if he did this to her ever. I would never forgive him.

campingfilth · 28/10/2014 21:19

How would you feel if someone came and hit you because you were doing something they didn't like??? Hitting may not be a crime but it's abuse and you are both guilty of it!!

I'm shocked you are training to be a nurse with the attitude that spanking is okay and you do realise you have to undertake safe guarding training? You will have to report yourself.

Your child is miserable and neglected and that us why she is acting up as it's the only way of getting your attention. Poor poor child.

Failedspinster · 06/11/2014 06:21

I'm glad you left and sought help, OP - it was the right thing for your DD. I do think you need to address your views on smacking though. I was smacked by my mum as a very, very last resort, perhaps two or three times during my childhood. It never hurt, certainly didn't mark me even at the time, and was really more a humiliation. That said, I don't agree with it and if anyone else laid a finger on my kids, I would pulp them. I discipline effectively in other ways.

My two are younger than yours but I've reared DSS from his babyhood and he is the most, polite, respectful, pleasant 9yo you could ask to meet. He has never been smacked and if someone tried to smack him - even if that person was his father - then I would deal with them. My job as a parent is to protect my children from violence, not deal it out.

chubbychipmonk · 22/11/2014 20:27

Reading that made me feel physically sick to my stomach.

Your job is to protect your daughter, a small child, from this violent man.

If it's 'smacks'
like that now when she's a toddler I dread to think where he'll draw the line disciplining her when she's older.

Protect her & leave.

WingsofNylon · 27/12/2014 22:12

You have to report him, your daughter's safety is the most important thing. Leave h and NEVER let your little girl think that she was in any way to blame. You keep saying that you love him (how, he is horrible to your child) and you say you don't want to prevent him from becoming a doctor...he might manage to pass the exams but I can't see him becoming a good doctor with such a lack of regard for other people. He sounds like he will turn out to be the sort of prick doctor that enda up making all his patients cry. Get rid of him and put your childs needs before your own 'love' for this idiot.

WingsofNylon · 27/12/2014 22:26

It sounds like both of you only pay attention to her when she misbehaves. Surely you both understand that this will make her want to repeat the behaviour again.

MissJudithArabesque · 03/01/2015 14:53

Your daughter is a victim of child abuse from her father, and you are complicit in this crime. The poor child is terrified in her own home. She cannot even trust her own mother. You are allowing this to happen, by sparing your husband's feelings over your own child's. You are both causing such monstrous damage to her. What a bleak future you have created for this innocent child.
Btw, she's doing the drawing with the pens to get your attention. You can see that, right? Blindingly obvious.
And why is your husband 'playing computer games' when you're doing a timed exam and your daughter needs to be looked after. He sounds a delight.
You've made a terrible choice in this man, in my opinion. Your priority is to protect your daughter from further abuse. Make your plans and leave.
(This thread is so awful I don't even think it's true. Have you made the whole thing up, to get attention???)

aermingers · 03/01/2015 15:03

Iggly I thought that too. The poor child is misbehaving because she is being completely ignored and the only way she can get attention is by being naughty.

Her father is abusing her. He needs reporting both for the sake of this child and because he is not fit to have the responsibility of being a doctor.

OP you need to change your parenting style too. Stop ignoring your child. To be honest I'm wondering if the poor thing would be better off if you gave her up for adoption. You don't seem to care much about her or be very interested in her.

Blu · 03/01/2015 15:04

This is an old thread

Hopefully the OP has followed through with her plan and that she and her dd are living in safety.

Thegoosenotthegander · 03/01/2015 15:21

Sorry, not got time to read the whole thread. Your daughter is behaving like this because you both ignore her, as you outline in your post. Children want attention, any attention. If all she can get is negative attention through you being angry with her then that is what she will settle for. Her behaviour is communicating to you that she wants your attention. It is wrong and unfair for you and your husband to call her undeniably defiant, or blame or punish her for her reaction to your ignoring behaviour to her.
Having said that, your husband is beating and physically abusing your daughter. You need to protect her immediately. Can you move in with someone else with your daughter or demand he leaves?
I think you would both benefit from parenting lessons, you can contact your local council to find out about these. Also, I recommend a book called calmer, easier happier parenting. It will show you how to use your child's natural desire to please you to get her to behave appropriately.

pumpkinsweetie · 03/01/2015 15:46

Firstly and foremost, your child is just THREE!!
3 years old, that is it, she has only been on this earth 3 years and she has been attacked for spilling milkSad Angry

She is behaving this way because she is 3yo, all children between 2 & 4 go through challanging behaviours, but what you are failing to realise, is that you are both ignoring her cries for attention also (it shows in your post)

So much love is mentioned for your husband, when quite honestly you need to put more time into your child and put everything else aside and report this to police, as well as leaving this voilent man, you say you love.

Welts on he bottom, 2 hand smacks on her handsSad for just spilling a drink, yes purposely but i'm afraid that's what children do, they test us, but people cannot go around beating the shit out of their kids because they themselves have no self-control.

Chuck him out, and pick your 3yo up and hug her. Then marks come off, the milk can be wiped up, but what you will never get back is your daughter's childhood, should he hurt her further or even kill her.
I hate to scare you, but i read things like this im the papers everydaySad

GET RID TODAY- he is an abuser