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Husband went too far.

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mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:04

This will be long so sorry for the novel, but it was important to include as much as possible.
I have a three year old toddler who has a habit of drawing on walls in the house. We tried putting the writing utensils up high, throwing them out, telling her no, time outs, spankings. Nothing works. She either finds one in my purse or our backpacks and hides it in her room, or she just doesn't listen at all when she is punished.
My husband and I are both in college full-time and so it is easy to not pay attention to her the entire time because we might both be studying, or he will have his headphones on listening to music, or I will be washing dishes. We have had this issue multiple times and I myself just don't understand why she doesn't get the picture yet that every time she draws on the walls she gets in trouble. She is undeniably defiant.
My husband has an anxiety disorder and is also very stubborn. His parents are in their late 50s and did all kinds of punishment from whipping to sticks to belts. He has anger issues as well and seriously needs anger management. I was spanked as well as a child with wooden spoons and belts. My parents never left bruises on me or made me bleed and I grew up to be really respectful. People tell me all the time how helpful I am and even compliment me on how I taught my daughter manners, saying "please" and "thank you". I have never been okay with him spanking my daughter and we have been in many arguments about it because I tell him we need to help each other by being consistent and punishing her the same way, but he is so stubborn he will not consider not spanking her and has the "my way or highway" attitude. He literally does not give a crap how I feel about punishing out child, and he tells me it is my fault she doesn't listen because I will not get on board with the spanking bandwagon. He says I cause the inconsistency.
I wouldn't have an issue with spanking if my husband wouldn't be so horrible about it. He literally tells me that to get kids to listen you have to instill fear into them or they will walk all over you. If she smacks the back of his head - even playfully - while he is playing games, he will smack the back of hers to tell her its not okay and he doesn't like it just like she doesn't like it. If he goes in for a spanking and she covers her butt with her hands, he will spank her hands until she moves them and then will spank her butt.
For the record, I AM NOT okay with this at all!
A lot of our marriage troubles coincide with our disagreements on punishment. I think his "put fear into them" attitude is ridiculous and only makes my daughter act out more. I have told him time and time again how I feel about it all and he never listens to me. I love my husband, but his lack of respect for my opinions and what he is "instilling" into my daughter has left me with thoughts of divorce. (We have many other issues that have brought me to these thoughts as well that I will not bring up for lack of space and because I don't think anyone wants to listen for that long. So it is not just the spanking bothering me. It is the fact that my husband seems to be getting progressively more abusive/angry.)

So the other day my daughter had spilled chocolate milk purposely on the floor and then proceeded to back talk my husband saying things like "no" and such. So he went in and spanked her butt three times. Once on the hands and then twice on her bare butt. I was angry as well because I had told her not to spill the milk and then she decided to just pour it right on the floor in front of me. I was in the middle of an online exam with a time limit so I didn't really focus on my husband spanking my daughter and I didn't get angry about it because the day was already high strung with her bad behavior. A short while after that my daughter snuck a permanent sharpie out of my backpack and went into her room and proceeded to draw all over her dresser. I was finishing up my exam and my husband was playing computer games so we did not know until she came out with sharpie on her skin.
My husband was so angry - I was too because of how many times we have told her not to write on things - and he stormed off into her room to spank her. I got up at this point because his anger was so strong I had an uneasiness in my stomach. He was trying to instill fear into her by shaking like he was angry and gritting his teeth. He grabbed her to spank her and she blocked him with her hands so he spanked her hands and then spanked her butt really hard three times. I'm not sure how hard he spanked her the first time because I was not watching, but this time I was and her butt was so red from top to bottom and he had caused two welts that bled a little. This was with his bare hands and her bare butt. She was crying so hard and didn't even want to be near him. I was furious when I saw her butt and told my husband he went too far.
He told me that hopefully the pain would be a reminder not to write on things again, and that if she didn't listen after that it would be my fault for acting angry about it in front of her. I then took her and coated her butt with butt cream because it was so red I was afraid she would blister or something. She couldn't even sit it hurt so much. My husband was furious with me for being angry with him and started shouting and causing a fight. I told him he underestimates his own strength and that he hit her harder than what he said. He then proceeded to spank himself in front of my daughter all the while acting completely angry and yelling "See! See! It doesn't hurt." (I am being completely serious here.) She of course started freaking out and crying and tried hiding in the couch because she thought he was going to spank her again. Her reaction terrified me.
He calmed down and proceeded to ignore me, and then I put her to bed after she fell asleep on me. When I came back out I was still angry and told him that if he left a mark I would be even more furious with him. He showed no signs that he felt sorry.
The next day I had work and during this time she had gotten into the chocolate syrup and got it all over her room. I was gone so I'm not sure what all happened with this incident, but he had taken my daughter to his moms. His mom told me he showed up crying because when he had changed her diaper he saw that her red butt from the night before had turned into bruises. She said he felt very sorry about it and had cried.
I didn't get to see her until the next day because I let her spend the night at her grandparents house so she wouldn't be around my husband since I had to work that following day.
When I did see her, the redness had gone away, but she had small bruises all over one of her butt cheeks. The other side showed the two welts that were healed. So after 24 hours she still had bruises, which means he hit her hard enough to cause more harm and damage.
When I discussed it with him, I told him we could no longer do spanking and that we needed to reevaluate our parenting. He told me that he was still going to do spanking, but not for awhile (?) and that he would just have to be more careful. He thinks this was a spanking gone wrong. I'm not sure what to think.
I am set to leave him, but my family member who I confided in wants me to report him so if it ever happens again there will be evidence. In my state, the law says that if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.
This is my predicament.
I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him. If I did report him he would possibly get a misdemeanor (since this is the first incident of him going too far and causing marks) and then he wouldn't be able to become a doctor with a misdemeanor. I don't want to stay with him, but I have no idea what to do, how to end it with him, etc etc.
I want to leave the marriage with no consequences (such as having to report him to keep my child, him getting a misdemeanor and going to jail, him not getting to become a doctor). I keep thinking I can just give him an ultimatum. Either stop spanking all together and go to anger management, or if he says no then me being forced to report him, which I of course don't want to do. I feel like I am in a tug of war between law and the possibility of him doing it again between him feeling horrible about it and me not wanting to hurt his future.
This may seem stupid to you guys, but I do really love my husband. I am wanting to leave him because he does not care about my feelings, he has become more aggressive since we have been married, and there are certain things I cannot forgive him for - such as cheating on me on his bachelor night that I didn't know about until four years into our marriage. I just have no idea how to leave the marriage unscathed. I am afraid to bring it up with him because he has made me feel like I am the reason the marriage is falling apart, and I don't know what his reaction will be like. My family friend is telling me to report him as well, and I don't know if I can do that. I DO NOT want my child to be hurt again, but whose to say he will ever do it again?? I feel like I would be putting a label on him that he might not deserve. I don't want to cause unreasonable damage if it is entirely possible he will never do it again. I am having a lot of trouble separating my love for him with the cold hard truth. I am so emotionally impaired due to this marriage that I don't even know what the right answers are which is why I brought the subject here.
My parents are too emotionally invested to give me honest opinions. They both despise my husband for what he has done in the past. My family friend telling me to report him has been in a spousal abuse position before with her ex-husband. So I don't know if she would be too emotionally invested due to her own experiences. Her children were never hurt by her ex. I also don't know if I am just being too stupid and making excuses for my husband. I am afraid of the impending consequences.
I keep imagining I can have a court-free divorce with no complications and that his crying was legit and he will never hurt my daughter again.

Honest answers and someone to set out the cold hard truth for me would be great. I feel like I am about to destroy my life and the life of my husband and am unable to step forward due to my feelings. I believe leaving marks with spanking is abuse and I intend to leave my husband, but I am not sure how serious to take this situation or how to end my marriage.

OP posts:
PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 21:55

As far as I am aware there is no safeguarding on internet forums.

strawberryangel · 22/09/2014 21:57

Pick up your child, now. Open the door and walk to a police station. Do it now. I don't even care if you have shoes on. Do it now.

I want to scream at you for not protecting your child. You are as bad as he is. You are in love with him? Fucking pathetic. He's a fucking child abuser.

You gave birth to this child, you owe her a life without fear. Pick her up, walk out the door, right now. Don't plan, don't think, just do it. Do it now before you're an accessory to murder. Do it now and you might just get to raise your daughter.

ByTheWishingWell · 22/09/2014 21:57

Can mumsnet HQ report the thread along with the IP address it was posted from to the police? I'm not very techy...

strawberryangel · 22/09/2014 21:58

I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him.

Do you not love your daughter?

rootypig · 22/09/2014 21:58

Thanks for asking jaffa.

I've reported your comment so MN see it.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 21:58

I think it is likely that the OP is not in the UK.

dylanthedragon · 22/09/2014 21:59

Your husband is a fucking animal. I feel sick reading you posts.

Your daughter is 3. She is a baby and is being naughty because she is not getting the attention she needs and deserves. He has beat her until she bled. That is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read.

You need to report this right now. You cannot allow him to lay a finger on her again.

CatWitch · 22/09/2014 22:00

Mmp5, you always knew what you needed to do. PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL POLICE, GET AN EMERGENCY RESTRAINING ORDER, KEEP YOUR BABY SAFE.

If you call police right now, they can contact a judge to order an emergency restraining order, your husband will be made to vacate the house, you can go to probate court tomorrow to ask for a longer order. Ask the officer's if there are advocates at court to help with restraining order process.

Call any of the number's I left on this thread. Help is available. You do know what to do. You are that sweet baby's mama, act on it now.

OooOooTheMonkey · 22/09/2014 22:00

I've reported too Jaffa. Doubt they can do muchSad

jaffacake2 · 22/09/2014 22:00

If Mums net admin can stop a thread if they think it is becoming rude,or trolling then there is monitoring of this site.

So what happens when they know a child is being abused and not protected by either parent ?

Or do we just debate the situation without an action ?

ihatethecold · 22/09/2014 22:01

jaffacake
I asked the same question on an equally disturbing thread 2 weeks ago.
MNHQ were no where to be seen.
It didn't sit comfortably with me.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 22:01

Or do we just debate the situation without an action ?

Yes.
That is my understanding.
Sad

tinklykeys · 22/09/2014 22:02

Please please op come back to this thread very soon to tell us all you have reported this man, and taken your precious, vulnerable, innocent little girl to a safe place.

Sometimes the inability to physically 'do' anything on Mumsnet is really really hard.

StripyBanana · 22/09/2014 22:03

You said the look on your girls face when he was violent with you...

What happened? Do you want to tell us?

I think there is more to this and you need to get out. Can you go to the friend you said you confided in? Just take your daughter and go.... everything else can be sorted.

alexkerr · 22/09/2014 22:03

Just one more thing there are so many charities out there to help women in your situation with ppl who can give you sound real and useful advice let them help you. Both you and your daughter deserve better! you are aloud to want for more you can sort money out later but just get safe first xxx from Scotland I'm sending you so much strength! go on you can do it!

DishwasherDogs · 22/09/2014 22:07

Please report him.
A three year old is just a baby, so little, don't let her grow up thinking that this is normal, because it's not, it's horrific.
Spankimg a three year old? :(

If you are in the uk, three yr olds are entitled to 15 hours in playgroup or nursery, leave your shithead abusive husband and give your baby the very best life that she can possibly have.
If your husband's future is ruined, that's his problem.
Give your dd her future back.

DialsMavis · 22/09/2014 22:08

This thread is hideous and awful, please protect your daughter NOW by reporting him or entrusting her to someone who is willing to take care of her

Ledkr · 22/09/2014 22:08

The language suggests the op is in America.

She gave a token response of "oh yes I realise it's wrong now thanks" when people started talking about tracking her.

Op even if you don't act now your dd will one day tell someone and BOTH of you will be in big trouble.

Imagine how awful it is to be hurt and in pain and frightened opinion your own home and by the only people you trust to love and care for you.

Imagine that is happening but you can't stop it or walk away or be comforted.

Imagine all that and then take action, please help your baby that was in your body only 3 years ago, she's your daughter, help her please.

Haferflocke · 22/09/2014 22:11

Everyone on here and everyone in RL has told you to leave asap.

Please please listen. Take time off work, get away from him. I strongly suspect he has beaten you too. And made you believe you made him do it.

HansieLove · 22/09/2014 22:11

I have not read this all as it is too upsetting. But it does not sound like he is studying. He is wasting time playing video games, and listening to music. He is a worthless waste of space. I wonder too what you are not telling us.

mmp5 · 22/09/2014 22:15

My family friend is taking me and my daughter to a relief shelter for safety while I go through the process of leaving my husband. I have talked to her and she is going to help me get my life together starting with removing my child from this horrible environment. My college counselor is going to help me as well seeing as she used to work helping other mothers in abuse situations.

Thank you to all the ones who gave me advice, and actually listened.

To the people wondering if I even pay attention to my daughter, I made another comment - maybe page 2? - where I explained how I spend as much time with her as I can outside of studying and work. It is my goal in life to make her happy which is why I am getting my degree in the first place, so I can provide for her. I DO NOT see regular spanking as a crime. I DO however see leaving marks, causing bleeding, and punishing out of anger as a huge issue. My main fear was how I would leave my husband and keep my daughter safe just in case. This is the FIRST incidence I have had where my husband has drastically overstepped his boundaries and actually acted abusive. So YES, I DO love my daughter and plan to keep her safe.

Thank you to those who actually helped me out and made me face the cold hard truth. I have already taken my daughter to my family friend's house and we are here now while my husband is in class unaware. My family is going to go with me during the weekend to gather up my belongings so I won't have to face him alone.

I have asked for this thread to be removed as I do agree it is very disturbing and I feel like my question has been thoroughly answered. This has been my life in the last three days - I understand how sad it is, I am living it! I came here for advice because I don't have very many people I can count on. Thank you again to the people who helped. I just needed guidance and to be told that it would be okay if I reported him and would not be a negative representation of myself. I feared that I would be a horrible person if I reported him and ruined his life - BUT you guys are RIGHT! He is destroying his own life and I am not responsible for his actions. It has taken me all weekend to see this, but I feel confident where my daughter and I are headed now.

OP posts:
EauRouge · 22/09/2014 22:17

OP, get your DD and leave. Never look back.

I hope the bastard ends up in jail where he belongs.

PuggyMum · 22/09/2014 22:18

I'm sorry but the attitude 'I was spanked as a child and it did me no harm so therefore I'll spank my child' really pisses me off.

Further proving those who get hit, hit others. It's a cycle that needs breaking.

So many posters have said everything I would say.

As I look at my little baby sleeping I can tell you now with certainty if my dh did that to her I'd be out of this house with no second thought for how much I love him because it pales against how much I love her.

ilovelamp82 · 22/09/2014 22:19

You are not ruining his future. He is. By staying with this man and not protecting your daughter you are ruining her future.

She is 3 and she looks to you to protect her. If you don't she will believe this is acceptable and probably be condemned tovviolentabusive relationships later in life.

You need to stop this NOW. Your poor daughter. This makes me desperately sad.

I have recently left an abusive relationship myself. I understand what it is like to love someone that doesn't treat you right. I almost wished for something huge and terrible to halpeb to justify me leaving.

There is nothing worse that my husband could have done than what your husband has.

Call the police and get him removed. He has already told you that he will do it again. To stay and not report him would make you complicit. I wouldnt be able to live with myself.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 22:19

Thank goodness!
And good luck - you have done well.