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Husband went too far.

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mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:04

This will be long so sorry for the novel, but it was important to include as much as possible.
I have a three year old toddler who has a habit of drawing on walls in the house. We tried putting the writing utensils up high, throwing them out, telling her no, time outs, spankings. Nothing works. She either finds one in my purse or our backpacks and hides it in her room, or she just doesn't listen at all when she is punished.
My husband and I are both in college full-time and so it is easy to not pay attention to her the entire time because we might both be studying, or he will have his headphones on listening to music, or I will be washing dishes. We have had this issue multiple times and I myself just don't understand why she doesn't get the picture yet that every time she draws on the walls she gets in trouble. She is undeniably defiant.
My husband has an anxiety disorder and is also very stubborn. His parents are in their late 50s and did all kinds of punishment from whipping to sticks to belts. He has anger issues as well and seriously needs anger management. I was spanked as well as a child with wooden spoons and belts. My parents never left bruises on me or made me bleed and I grew up to be really respectful. People tell me all the time how helpful I am and even compliment me on how I taught my daughter manners, saying "please" and "thank you". I have never been okay with him spanking my daughter and we have been in many arguments about it because I tell him we need to help each other by being consistent and punishing her the same way, but he is so stubborn he will not consider not spanking her and has the "my way or highway" attitude. He literally does not give a crap how I feel about punishing out child, and he tells me it is my fault she doesn't listen because I will not get on board with the spanking bandwagon. He says I cause the inconsistency.
I wouldn't have an issue with spanking if my husband wouldn't be so horrible about it. He literally tells me that to get kids to listen you have to instill fear into them or they will walk all over you. If she smacks the back of his head - even playfully - while he is playing games, he will smack the back of hers to tell her its not okay and he doesn't like it just like she doesn't like it. If he goes in for a spanking and she covers her butt with her hands, he will spank her hands until she moves them and then will spank her butt.
For the record, I AM NOT okay with this at all!
A lot of our marriage troubles coincide with our disagreements on punishment. I think his "put fear into them" attitude is ridiculous and only makes my daughter act out more. I have told him time and time again how I feel about it all and he never listens to me. I love my husband, but his lack of respect for my opinions and what he is "instilling" into my daughter has left me with thoughts of divorce. (We have many other issues that have brought me to these thoughts as well that I will not bring up for lack of space and because I don't think anyone wants to listen for that long. So it is not just the spanking bothering me. It is the fact that my husband seems to be getting progressively more abusive/angry.)

So the other day my daughter had spilled chocolate milk purposely on the floor and then proceeded to back talk my husband saying things like "no" and such. So he went in and spanked her butt three times. Once on the hands and then twice on her bare butt. I was angry as well because I had told her not to spill the milk and then she decided to just pour it right on the floor in front of me. I was in the middle of an online exam with a time limit so I didn't really focus on my husband spanking my daughter and I didn't get angry about it because the day was already high strung with her bad behavior. A short while after that my daughter snuck a permanent sharpie out of my backpack and went into her room and proceeded to draw all over her dresser. I was finishing up my exam and my husband was playing computer games so we did not know until she came out with sharpie on her skin.
My husband was so angry - I was too because of how many times we have told her not to write on things - and he stormed off into her room to spank her. I got up at this point because his anger was so strong I had an uneasiness in my stomach. He was trying to instill fear into her by shaking like he was angry and gritting his teeth. He grabbed her to spank her and she blocked him with her hands so he spanked her hands and then spanked her butt really hard three times. I'm not sure how hard he spanked her the first time because I was not watching, but this time I was and her butt was so red from top to bottom and he had caused two welts that bled a little. This was with his bare hands and her bare butt. She was crying so hard and didn't even want to be near him. I was furious when I saw her butt and told my husband he went too far.
He told me that hopefully the pain would be a reminder not to write on things again, and that if she didn't listen after that it would be my fault for acting angry about it in front of her. I then took her and coated her butt with butt cream because it was so red I was afraid she would blister or something. She couldn't even sit it hurt so much. My husband was furious with me for being angry with him and started shouting and causing a fight. I told him he underestimates his own strength and that he hit her harder than what he said. He then proceeded to spank himself in front of my daughter all the while acting completely angry and yelling "See! See! It doesn't hurt." (I am being completely serious here.) She of course started freaking out and crying and tried hiding in the couch because she thought he was going to spank her again. Her reaction terrified me.
He calmed down and proceeded to ignore me, and then I put her to bed after she fell asleep on me. When I came back out I was still angry and told him that if he left a mark I would be even more furious with him. He showed no signs that he felt sorry.
The next day I had work and during this time she had gotten into the chocolate syrup and got it all over her room. I was gone so I'm not sure what all happened with this incident, but he had taken my daughter to his moms. His mom told me he showed up crying because when he had changed her diaper he saw that her red butt from the night before had turned into bruises. She said he felt very sorry about it and had cried.
I didn't get to see her until the next day because I let her spend the night at her grandparents house so she wouldn't be around my husband since I had to work that following day.
When I did see her, the redness had gone away, but she had small bruises all over one of her butt cheeks. The other side showed the two welts that were healed. So after 24 hours she still had bruises, which means he hit her hard enough to cause more harm and damage.
When I discussed it with him, I told him we could no longer do spanking and that we needed to reevaluate our parenting. He told me that he was still going to do spanking, but not for awhile (?) and that he would just have to be more careful. He thinks this was a spanking gone wrong. I'm not sure what to think.
I am set to leave him, but my family member who I confided in wants me to report him so if it ever happens again there will be evidence. In my state, the law says that if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.
This is my predicament.
I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him. If I did report him he would possibly get a misdemeanor (since this is the first incident of him going too far and causing marks) and then he wouldn't be able to become a doctor with a misdemeanor. I don't want to stay with him, but I have no idea what to do, how to end it with him, etc etc.
I want to leave the marriage with no consequences (such as having to report him to keep my child, him getting a misdemeanor and going to jail, him not getting to become a doctor). I keep thinking I can just give him an ultimatum. Either stop spanking all together and go to anger management, or if he says no then me being forced to report him, which I of course don't want to do. I feel like I am in a tug of war between law and the possibility of him doing it again between him feeling horrible about it and me not wanting to hurt his future.
This may seem stupid to you guys, but I do really love my husband. I am wanting to leave him because he does not care about my feelings, he has become more aggressive since we have been married, and there are certain things I cannot forgive him for - such as cheating on me on his bachelor night that I didn't know about until four years into our marriage. I just have no idea how to leave the marriage unscathed. I am afraid to bring it up with him because he has made me feel like I am the reason the marriage is falling apart, and I don't know what his reaction will be like. My family friend is telling me to report him as well, and I don't know if I can do that. I DO NOT want my child to be hurt again, but whose to say he will ever do it again?? I feel like I would be putting a label on him that he might not deserve. I don't want to cause unreasonable damage if it is entirely possible he will never do it again. I am having a lot of trouble separating my love for him with the cold hard truth. I am so emotionally impaired due to this marriage that I don't even know what the right answers are which is why I brought the subject here.
My parents are too emotionally invested to give me honest opinions. They both despise my husband for what he has done in the past. My family friend telling me to report him has been in a spousal abuse position before with her ex-husband. So I don't know if she would be too emotionally invested due to her own experiences. Her children were never hurt by her ex. I also don't know if I am just being too stupid and making excuses for my husband. I am afraid of the impending consequences.
I keep imagining I can have a court-free divorce with no complications and that his crying was legit and he will never hurt my daughter again.

Honest answers and someone to set out the cold hard truth for me would be great. I feel like I am about to destroy my life and the life of my husband and am unable to step forward due to my feelings. I believe leaving marks with spanking is abuse and I intend to leave my husband, but I am not sure how serious to take this situation or how to end my marriage.

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Mabelface · 22/09/2014 20:45

You're about to regain a life and possibly save your daughter's life. Don't hang around, get the fuck out and get him arrested for the actual bodily harm he inflicted when he assaulted your child. There are no grey areas here. What next? A punch in the face because she talked back?

Corabell · 22/09/2014 20:49

It seems to be all about you. Your husband is a disgusting abuser and he's doing to her in front of you and you don't intervene. I'm appalled that you appear to being looking for sympathy because it's so hard for you to deal with. Fuck that. Woman up and protect your tiny child.

Ledkr · 22/09/2014 20:52

My 3 yr old was just carried to bed in her night nappy after her milk and a story. She is practically a baby still and never has to worry about being hurt by anyone.
Do your fucking job and protect your child woman!

Ledkr · 22/09/2014 20:53

Great x post there

AdoraBell · 22/09/2014 20:57

Can't read all the thread right now but OP, please write a list of people who you would allow to terrify your child like this?

And agaisn't each name put the reason for allowing them to beat your child.

I wonder how many names you can list, is it 10, 20, 100 or 0?

theQuibbler · 22/09/2014 20:59

You need to make sure your daughter is safe. That is a priority. If you do not feel that you can leave your husband immediately, then you still need to make sure you daughter is safe. Can she stay with her grandparents? A trusted aunt?

You haven't said that he hits you (I hope that is true) and you are not frightened of him - you dislike his behaviour and want it to change.

You can stay with him. Plenty of women choose that route - to stay in a bad relationship. But you cannot leave your toddler in that place. he beat her and drew blood. He is not remorseful and wants to carry on punishing her. She is not safe.

Either take her away or give her to someone else where she can be safe. That should be all that concerns you.

notapizzaeater · 22/09/2014 21:02

He is the one ruining his future, not you. How can he beat a toddler ? It's abuse pure and simple

staverton · 22/09/2014 21:04

You really must leave him
I think you understand that what he has done is totally wrong
He has warped your mind into thinking that hitting is normal punishment. It's not.
Your child is terrified. I would be terrified. Please protect her.
She misbehaves to get attention. Bad attention is better than no attention in her eyes and that is what she draws on the walls and misbehaves. She models your/your husbands behaviour.
Later down the line you should read the book "divas and dictators" by Charlie taylor and do a parenting course. But for now you need to leave and call the police.

Are you safe, OP?
Do you think he checks your online history and could see this?
If so can you delete history and cookies?

Can you say where you are, roughly to see if someone can help?

CocktailQueen · 22/09/2014 21:05

You are not destroying your husband's future, op, he is - by battering and beating his own child. Leave him now.

Finola1step · 22/09/2014 21:06

I can't read the whole thread because it is making me feel sick.

I have a 3 year old dd myself. Your husband's behaviour is cruel and abusive.

The reason why the messy incidents occur is because you both fail to supervise and engage with her properly.

The abuse occurs because your husband thinks its perfectly acceptable for a grown man to strike a child. You dress it up as a "spanking".

It is not spanking or smacking as we would probably say in the UK. It's physical and emotional abuse.

You must remove your dd from this situation.

rootypig · 22/09/2014 21:06

My 3 yr old was just carried to bed in her night nappy after her milk and a story. She is practically a baby still and never has to worry about being hurt by anyone.

This made me cry. OP I know I am only adding my voice to the chorus but a grown man beating a three year old is abhorrent. Your tiny girl. You can make this right by showing her that you'll protect her.

Please realise that this is only the beginning of what your husband will do to her. He cannot control himself. Every day they're in the home together, she is at more and more serious risk. The most serious risk.

Not only do you need to leave, you need to report him, to keep your daughter safe in future, and any other children who might be part of his life. Fuck his career, he's made his choices.

Agree with pp that finding strength is rubbish. You either get this done or you don't. Walk to the phone, do it now.

CatWitch · 22/09/2014 21:07

OP, I can't stop thinking about you and your precious little girl. I know people are being harsh. I think you said you were brought up in a home where 'spankings' were not uncommon. Can you think back and remember how those spankings felt to you? Do you remember feeling frightened of your parents? Your sweet baby girl is just 3, she must feel very very frightened and confused. Her bum must hurt her very much. She is not able to understand why she is being hit. She needs and deserves protection. Please take her to a safe place. If you are in the US, you can go to a fire department, a hospital or a police department. You and she will be safe.Dial 911 from any phone for assistance. Please

ContactIssue · 22/09/2014 21:08

How would you feel if he beat you and you couldn't sit down? I bet you'd be furious.

It is absolutely awful that this is happening to your poor, defenceless DD, time and time again. This may be the worst of the events, but it sounds like he has been behaving inappropriately for quite some time.

I do understand the dilemma you are in, but please see your H for the vile, abusive man that he is. Things will only get worse if you stay. Your daughter will be subjected to more beatings and one day she WILL tell somebody. I don't know the laws in your state, but you say that if this happens, then you will both lose your DD.

When your DD grows up, she will feel that you've chosen your marriage over her (because you will have done). Please do the right thing OP. It's clear from your post that you don't agree with what he's doing. Actions speak louder than words, so it's time for you to behave responsibly and DO something about it.

Also, if you are studying, your H should not be playing computer games while DD is awake. No wonder she behaves as she does. Your H is essentially to blame for her behaviour because of his lazy parenting.

Also, who gives a stuff if he cannot become a doctor? I hope he doesn't! I certainly wouldn't want a child abuser to be my doctor. It's laughable.

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 21:09

OMFG.

Get out.
Get help.
Get your poor DD away from her father before she gets and equally skewed idea of what looking after a toddler entails.

These kind of things only get worse - if he wants to change he can work on himself while you and your DD are far, far away.

Please get out.
ASAP.

docpeppa · 22/09/2014 21:11

If you do separate, which I think you should then he would be allowed access to your child, her staying over at his house.

So you need to ask yourself do you really trust him not to beat her again (I say beat because that's what he did, he beat up a 3 year old) and whose to say how far it would go without you being present to remind him he's gone too far?

I think you have no choice but to report him, or he will get that unsupervised access and your child could be in danger because you didn't want to impact his career.

Also, you asked for hard truths... It sounds like she is playing up to get some attention from you both. From what you've said, it seems you guys are always preoccupied with doing other things when she is around. Sorry if that hurts but that is the impression I got from your post. Believe me I know how difficult a toddler can be, but it's just their age and they need a lot of attention.

docpeppa · 22/09/2014 21:13

Also have you taken pictures of her injuries as proof? If not do it ASAP before they fade!

PacificDogwood · 22/09/2014 21:13

It is easy to be in love with someone who treats you badly

Yes, it is.
You need to find your inner Mother Lioness.

And just to repeat, you are not going to ruin his futures, he has done that all by himself.

And yes, lots and lots of women have been in similar situations as you - some find the strength to get out and their lives improved beyond recognition.

SuchSweetSorrow · 22/09/2014 21:15

I have two three year olds- if my husband had done this he would be like a fucking shot. No excuses.

Woman up and PROTECT YOUR CHILD.

LEMmingaround · 22/09/2014 21:16

Your husband should go to prison and if you fail to report him so should you. Grow up and protect your child.

docpeppa · 22/09/2014 21:17

"It is absolutely terrifying and could ruin his future"

You could potentially be doing the same thing to your daughter, if things escalate. It sounds like the beatings are already starting to escalate...

jaffacake2 · 22/09/2014 21:18

If you cannot protect your child from this awful physical and emotional abuse then you don't deserve to keep her.
She would have a happier and safer childhood in care.
What are you going to do ?
Do you love your child enough to save her from harm ?
Or is he your main priority ?

CultureSucksDownWords · 22/09/2014 21:18

How can you still feel any love or warmth for a man who has done this to your own child?

How would you feel if a random man on the street did this to your child? You would call the police and get them arrested - immediately. You wouldn't let them near your daughter again. The abuse your husband has meted out is worse, as he has a duty of care towards his own daughter. She has been attacked and psychologically abused by him.

CatWitch · 22/09/2014 21:18

OP, here is another 24 hour hotline number. You can call and speak to an advocate at any hour of the day or night. Help is available...just pick up the phone 1-800-422-4453.

Get your child safe. You can work on the details of your marriage once your baby is safe.

Inthecellar · 22/09/2014 21:21

Oh my god. She is three. Three!
He smacked her so hard she had welts? Poor baby girl, you both sound like you care more about studying than caring for your daughter. You need to report him, leave and then get parenting classes yourself