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Husband went too far.

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mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:04

This will be long so sorry for the novel, but it was important to include as much as possible.
I have a three year old toddler who has a habit of drawing on walls in the house. We tried putting the writing utensils up high, throwing them out, telling her no, time outs, spankings. Nothing works. She either finds one in my purse or our backpacks and hides it in her room, or she just doesn't listen at all when she is punished.
My husband and I are both in college full-time and so it is easy to not pay attention to her the entire time because we might both be studying, or he will have his headphones on listening to music, or I will be washing dishes. We have had this issue multiple times and I myself just don't understand why she doesn't get the picture yet that every time she draws on the walls she gets in trouble. She is undeniably defiant.
My husband has an anxiety disorder and is also very stubborn. His parents are in their late 50s and did all kinds of punishment from whipping to sticks to belts. He has anger issues as well and seriously needs anger management. I was spanked as well as a child with wooden spoons and belts. My parents never left bruises on me or made me bleed and I grew up to be really respectful. People tell me all the time how helpful I am and even compliment me on how I taught my daughter manners, saying "please" and "thank you". I have never been okay with him spanking my daughter and we have been in many arguments about it because I tell him we need to help each other by being consistent and punishing her the same way, but he is so stubborn he will not consider not spanking her and has the "my way or highway" attitude. He literally does not give a crap how I feel about punishing out child, and he tells me it is my fault she doesn't listen because I will not get on board with the spanking bandwagon. He says I cause the inconsistency.
I wouldn't have an issue with spanking if my husband wouldn't be so horrible about it. He literally tells me that to get kids to listen you have to instill fear into them or they will walk all over you. If she smacks the back of his head - even playfully - while he is playing games, he will smack the back of hers to tell her its not okay and he doesn't like it just like she doesn't like it. If he goes in for a spanking and she covers her butt with her hands, he will spank her hands until she moves them and then will spank her butt.
For the record, I AM NOT okay with this at all!
A lot of our marriage troubles coincide with our disagreements on punishment. I think his "put fear into them" attitude is ridiculous and only makes my daughter act out more. I have told him time and time again how I feel about it all and he never listens to me. I love my husband, but his lack of respect for my opinions and what he is "instilling" into my daughter has left me with thoughts of divorce. (We have many other issues that have brought me to these thoughts as well that I will not bring up for lack of space and because I don't think anyone wants to listen for that long. So it is not just the spanking bothering me. It is the fact that my husband seems to be getting progressively more abusive/angry.)

So the other day my daughter had spilled chocolate milk purposely on the floor and then proceeded to back talk my husband saying things like "no" and such. So he went in and spanked her butt three times. Once on the hands and then twice on her bare butt. I was angry as well because I had told her not to spill the milk and then she decided to just pour it right on the floor in front of me. I was in the middle of an online exam with a time limit so I didn't really focus on my husband spanking my daughter and I didn't get angry about it because the day was already high strung with her bad behavior. A short while after that my daughter snuck a permanent sharpie out of my backpack and went into her room and proceeded to draw all over her dresser. I was finishing up my exam and my husband was playing computer games so we did not know until she came out with sharpie on her skin.
My husband was so angry - I was too because of how many times we have told her not to write on things - and he stormed off into her room to spank her. I got up at this point because his anger was so strong I had an uneasiness in my stomach. He was trying to instill fear into her by shaking like he was angry and gritting his teeth. He grabbed her to spank her and she blocked him with her hands so he spanked her hands and then spanked her butt really hard three times. I'm not sure how hard he spanked her the first time because I was not watching, but this time I was and her butt was so red from top to bottom and he had caused two welts that bled a little. This was with his bare hands and her bare butt. She was crying so hard and didn't even want to be near him. I was furious when I saw her butt and told my husband he went too far.
He told me that hopefully the pain would be a reminder not to write on things again, and that if she didn't listen after that it would be my fault for acting angry about it in front of her. I then took her and coated her butt with butt cream because it was so red I was afraid she would blister or something. She couldn't even sit it hurt so much. My husband was furious with me for being angry with him and started shouting and causing a fight. I told him he underestimates his own strength and that he hit her harder than what he said. He then proceeded to spank himself in front of my daughter all the while acting completely angry and yelling "See! See! It doesn't hurt." (I am being completely serious here.) She of course started freaking out and crying and tried hiding in the couch because she thought he was going to spank her again. Her reaction terrified me.
He calmed down and proceeded to ignore me, and then I put her to bed after she fell asleep on me. When I came back out I was still angry and told him that if he left a mark I would be even more furious with him. He showed no signs that he felt sorry.
The next day I had work and during this time she had gotten into the chocolate syrup and got it all over her room. I was gone so I'm not sure what all happened with this incident, but he had taken my daughter to his moms. His mom told me he showed up crying because when he had changed her diaper he saw that her red butt from the night before had turned into bruises. She said he felt very sorry about it and had cried.
I didn't get to see her until the next day because I let her spend the night at her grandparents house so she wouldn't be around my husband since I had to work that following day.
When I did see her, the redness had gone away, but she had small bruises all over one of her butt cheeks. The other side showed the two welts that were healed. So after 24 hours she still had bruises, which means he hit her hard enough to cause more harm and damage.
When I discussed it with him, I told him we could no longer do spanking and that we needed to reevaluate our parenting. He told me that he was still going to do spanking, but not for awhile (?) and that he would just have to be more careful. He thinks this was a spanking gone wrong. I'm not sure what to think.
I am set to leave him, but my family member who I confided in wants me to report him so if it ever happens again there will be evidence. In my state, the law says that if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.
This is my predicament.
I love my husband so much and he is going to school to become a doctor. His parenting and anger is horrible, but I still love him. I would never want anything bad to happen to him. If I did report him he would possibly get a misdemeanor (since this is the first incident of him going too far and causing marks) and then he wouldn't be able to become a doctor with a misdemeanor. I don't want to stay with him, but I have no idea what to do, how to end it with him, etc etc.
I want to leave the marriage with no consequences (such as having to report him to keep my child, him getting a misdemeanor and going to jail, him not getting to become a doctor). I keep thinking I can just give him an ultimatum. Either stop spanking all together and go to anger management, or if he says no then me being forced to report him, which I of course don't want to do. I feel like I am in a tug of war between law and the possibility of him doing it again between him feeling horrible about it and me not wanting to hurt his future.
This may seem stupid to you guys, but I do really love my husband. I am wanting to leave him because he does not care about my feelings, he has become more aggressive since we have been married, and there are certain things I cannot forgive him for - such as cheating on me on his bachelor night that I didn't know about until four years into our marriage. I just have no idea how to leave the marriage unscathed. I am afraid to bring it up with him because he has made me feel like I am the reason the marriage is falling apart, and I don't know what his reaction will be like. My family friend is telling me to report him as well, and I don't know if I can do that. I DO NOT want my child to be hurt again, but whose to say he will ever do it again?? I feel like I would be putting a label on him that he might not deserve. I don't want to cause unreasonable damage if it is entirely possible he will never do it again. I am having a lot of trouble separating my love for him with the cold hard truth. I am so emotionally impaired due to this marriage that I don't even know what the right answers are which is why I brought the subject here.
My parents are too emotionally invested to give me honest opinions. They both despise my husband for what he has done in the past. My family friend telling me to report him has been in a spousal abuse position before with her ex-husband. So I don't know if she would be too emotionally invested due to her own experiences. Her children were never hurt by her ex. I also don't know if I am just being too stupid and making excuses for my husband. I am afraid of the impending consequences.
I keep imagining I can have a court-free divorce with no complications and that his crying was legit and he will never hurt my daughter again.

Honest answers and someone to set out the cold hard truth for me would be great. I feel like I am about to destroy my life and the life of my husband and am unable to step forward due to my feelings. I believe leaving marks with spanking is abuse and I intend to leave my husband, but I am not sure how serious to take this situation or how to end my marriage.

OP posts:
ohtheholidays · 22/09/2014 19:39

Your post just made me feel physically sick and I'm now sat here crying.

How can you love someone that would do that to your darling baby girl!

She is only 3 years old and from what you've wrote neither of you bother to parent the poor little girl.She's acting out for attention!!End of,In a child's mind even bad attention is better than No attention at all.

Do you realize that violently shaking a young child can lead to they're death?

You need to get him away from your daughter and report him.

There is no way on God's earth that I would want any DR that would treat they're own child like that to treat a child of mine medically.

123upthere · 22/09/2014 19:39

Really disturbed reading this.

My parents were both like your husband and I have an awful relationship with them because of memories and flashbacks of beatings I cannot erase even from the age of three.

  • firstly she is trying these things to get your attention in the home as both of you are self absorbed in your studying. I'm not surprised she acts up to just get noticed rather than ignored.
  • secondly even if you don't report him you parents or friend most probably & hopefully will do
  • thirdly next time she tries to play in her home and doesn't do it the right way for your husband She could DIE for gods sake this man is out of control.

Sort it out.

Stay at your parents with her until he is out of your lives.

She deserves a better life than the one you are providing for her.

I'm disgusted that he did this to her. Really sad.Hmm

Clarabumps · 22/09/2014 19:40

You need to report him to the police. You need to get him away from her.
She is 3. She's a baby practically. If you don't stop this now then it'll escalate.

She is terrified and so should you be as if this ends up coming back on you both then she'll be taken into care. Who will protect her then?

OR you could stay with him and it escalates when you're not there and he end up killing her. Could you live with yourself that you could have prevented that happening.

I also agree that you need to pay more attention to her. If you are both studying then you have to allocate time when she is in childcare. It's not fair to expect a 3 year old to behave like an adult. If my kids were left to their own devices then they'd find a way to entertain themselves.

PLEASE LEAVE, you cannot discuss this ultimatum any further.

I have honestly never meant this as much in a mumsnet post as I do now.
GO and make sure he doesn't get the chance to have unsupervised access.

You need to protect her.

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 22/09/2014 19:40

My daughter is almost three. She says please and thank you and I don't hit her. Don't call it spanking, it's hitting.

Take your daughter and leave this monster before it's too late.

Itsfab · 22/09/2014 19:42

I didn't read it all but what I read was bad enough and going by the previous posters comments it got a lot worse.

Kids do not decide to behave because you beat them and put the fear of God into them.

He is a violent bully and if you do not make him leave and protect your child you could end up losing her. It is time to make a choice. Make it the right one.

tribpot · 22/09/2014 19:44

if I don't report it yet someone finds out about it my daughter would be taken away from me and my husband and I would go to jail.

That's a good starting point. Do you need more incentive than that to report it to the police? You will go to jail. And that's leaving aside the fact someone hit your three-year-old child until she bled, until she was screaming in fear and unable to sit down.

Shame on you, OP.

chocolatedonut · 22/09/2014 19:44

Agree with every other poster.

Leave, report him and do not allow him to be unsupervised with her.

He sounds like an absolute horror.

BelleOfTheBorstal · 22/09/2014 19:45

As an adult who engages in consensual kink, I have a very good idea of the kind of force that would need to be involved to leave welts/bruises and he did that with his bare hands? To a three year old?
That. Is. Horrific.
You need to report him. You need to leave him. This man, your husband, is dangerous and should not have unsupervised access to your daughter.

Pooka · 22/09/2014 19:45

Get the hell away from him, and your dd safe.

It is disgusting. Proper stomach churning horrible - he hit a small child hard enough to leave marks. He beat her. He will do it again. By not making a stand you would be colluding with this abuse.

Your parents despise him. I despise him, just from reading about him.

He deserves to be reported. You need this abuse on record.

upyourninja · 22/09/2014 19:46

What would I do? Gather up my daughter and take her far away from emotional and physical abuse.

So she is 'defiant', 'doesn't listen', and smacks your husband's head? And what are both of her parents modelling for her as acceptable behaviour? Defiance, violence, and being ignored. Hurting children teaches them to hurt themselves and others. Hitting them teaches them to hit. Ignoring teaches them to ignore. To be fearful and to inspire fear.

Children don't learn from what they're told; they learn from what they live and they see.

All your husband's so called 'discipline' is doing is teaching her that she is not worth listening to, that's she's vulnerable and that stronger people, whom she loves, deserve to abuse her.

Think about that for a minute. Is this what you want her to learn?

My daughter is almost three. It makes me sick to imagine her living like this.

Your husband hasn't even said he'll stop! Parenting courses, and agreement on the end of violence and shouting, or he doesn't get to see her unsupervised. Honestly. That's what I'd do.

You can do this. You can make life so much better for her.

Modan · 22/09/2014 19:47

firstly, you have a 3 year old, you cannot simply do an exam or out headphones in and not actively parent her. That is why she is doing things for attention, that and the fact she is 3.

what your husband is doing is not discipline, it is abuse. I could cry for your daughter. If smacking worked wouldnt he only have to do it once?

Report him, leave him, and I would also suggest parenting classes for yourself as it sounds like your perspective on what is acceptable may have been skewed by your husband

Sarahplane · 22/09/2014 19:48

Your poor baby. Please report him to the police and leave. He is beating and abusing your daughter. How can you say you love someone who does this? I also really think he should not be a doctor working with vulnerable people when he behaves like this towards his own child.

It also sounds like your daughter is not getting enough attention and supervision if you are both busy all the time. I have a three year old and am studying too so I do sympathise but I there is no way I could study or do an exam while my ds was awake because I would not be able to watch him and play with him properly. Can you organise some sort of child care or family help while you study or maybe take a break until she's a bit older and will be at school?

mmp5 · 22/09/2014 19:49

Thank you for all the responses.

Just to be noted, I don't "expect" her to be calm and quiet while I do my exam. I have a toddler. I also do not purposely not watch her while I am doing things. My husband and I made the agreement that we study at different times and whoever is not studying has to watch her. I was in the bedroom doing my exam and my husband was supposed to be watching her, but he was too busy playing video games - which is always the issue with him when he watches her. I am trying to get an education so I can get a job and provide for her. If I knew my husband would not be helpful during this time and do his part, I would have already left him. I have also talked with him about not watching her and being too involved with his games, but he never listens to me. Which is another reason why I plan to leave him. Other than the weekends when I work and classes, I take her to the park, to tumbling, to hang out with her older cousin. I understand what you all are saying though.
I need to spend more time with her, but as of yet I have been taking my extra time not studying and working to give her that attention. It is hard to be a working mom, and student all at once and still entertain your toddler.

It is easy to be in love with someone who treats you badly. Others in my situation would understand. You are blinded by your love, and besides this most recent incident I had been planning to leave my husband because I understood that he didn't deserve me and I needed to stop being his doormat.

I understand now that I need to report him, but how do I find the strength? It is absolutely terrifying and I will ruin his future. I feel sick just thinking about it. I know that if he ever does it again to my daughter then I will never be able to forgive myself and I can't let that happen.

Has anyone else ever been in my situation? Having to face reporting the person you love because they are really a monster? It is absolutely terrifying, but I'm sure my daughter's situation is worse. She is playing with him now and acting as if nothing happened, but I know that this may not always be the case. I remember how she acted when he was fighting with me and that will always be a constant reminder. I just need to find the strength to actually report him.

OP posts:
eatscakefornoreasonwhatsoever · 22/09/2014 19:51

Can I also point out that if he learned this abusive parenting style from his parents, as you say, then your vulnerable 3 year old should not be left unsupervised with them, either - how do you know they're not 'disciplining' her the same way?

Wishing you much strength and luck as you make this decision to protect your daughter. I think you know in your heart what the right thing to do is.

OooOooTheMonkey · 22/09/2014 19:53

I don't usually post on such serious threads but this has left me feeling sick to my stomach.

Take your daughter and leave. Do it now. Take pictures of her injuries and show the police.

Your husband who you say you love has BEATEN his own child. What a vile, hideous excuse for a man he is.

Get out now, I'm actually disgusted that you even need to ask. There are obviously deeper issues here but I don't know what more of an incentive you need to leave this bastard.

If my DP ever laid a finger on our daughter I am afraid I wouldn't be responsible for my actions. Shame on you. Sort it out, now.

Fairylea · 22/09/2014 19:53

Why are you more worried about ruining your husbands future than your daughters?

WhereTheWildlingsAre · 22/09/2014 19:53

We have an organisation called women's aid in the UK, there must be something similar where you are. They would help give you the strength.

OooOooTheMonkey · 22/09/2014 19:56

Just read your update OP. Here's how you find the strength. You look at your daughters backside and you see the injury he has done to her. Sorry to sound so harsh but you need to put her first. She is not safe around him. Get her out, before he does it again.
No I've not been in your situation but if I ever was I would put my daughter first, not me and my feelings, and certainly not my partners future. Fuck that.

Ahardyfool · 22/09/2014 19:56

I understand it is hard but would you rather fix things now or wait until she is removed from both of you? That's him the abused abuser and you the passive facilitator of this abuse.

Ahardyfool · 22/09/2014 19:58

Then, when you are away from this vile madness, get yourself some support in teaching your child about boundaries and respect in a way that doesn't involve violence or abuse. It sounds as though you deserve the opportunity to learn this yourself as I think your perceptions are somewhat distorted by perhaps your own experiences.

milkwasabadchoice · 22/09/2014 19:59

Exactly what fairylea said. Where are your priorities? What's all this "planning" to leave him? Pack a bag, ffs.

Spadequeen · 22/09/2014 19:59

You will not ruin his future, he is doing that to himself

ihatethecold · 22/09/2014 19:59

Don't wait for him to do it again.
Get it sorted today. This is madness.

OutsSelf · 22/09/2014 19:59

You haven't ruined his future, darling, he has. You absolutely need to do this, she needs you to protect her. Deal with the situation in front of you, one step at a time. You must report him in order to keep her safe, he can't have unsupervised access to her.

I would suggest that you.speak this out loud to someone you know, who you know will be supporting your decision to report him. They'll hold you to account. If you know someone look me, and you said what you wrote to me, I'd help you leave, I'd be 100% there for you. But if you failed to report it, I would, and you'd risk being lumped in with him, she'd be assessed as at risk in your care because you failed in your own duty of care.

You might be on borrowed time in this sense, anyway - I have a three year old and I'm fairly certain he'd talk to other adults about this in some way. Which I'm only saying to remind you that you risk losing her if you can't protect her, and someone else finds out.

Modan · 22/09/2014 20:00

he is ruining his own future, not you. As the poster up thread mentioned, at some point she will also tell someone, at school, nursery, childminder etc, in fact she doesnt even need to tell them, if they suspect she has been beaten they will report it.

Far better for you to protect her now than prolong the situation.

I can imagine it is very hard to do this to someone you love, but you must do this for your daughter, she needs you to protect her.