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The Locksley School of Visual Arts at the University of Milton North

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PhoenixRisingFromTheAshes · 09/02/2011 23:31

Please come in and make yourself at home. All are welcome to join in our exhaustive and detailed daily research programmes. Areas of study include: The Cotton Industry in the Industrial Revolution; Robin Hood Studies (specialist subject Guy of Gisborne) as well as exhaustive study of the Creative Arts, Film and Media (with particular emphasis on Tolkein, the Armed Forces and National Security).

Would you like a glass of Chateau Gizzy?

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DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 16:48

Black Swan is a 15, Maud. I don't know anyone that would fancy it so will be going on my own, which I quite enjoy anyway.

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 16:54

Maud, Black Swan is certainly not GardenGirl material, I believe, as there are some highly risqué but alas now fashionable scenes.

There is a sizeable British ex-pat community here on the island but it tends to be fragmented into small groups. Most of the people I know tend to work and can only play in the evenings when I can't get out.

Furrin films are shown with subtitles, which is good, but I get to the cinema pretty rarely.

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 16:58

If it's a 15 cert then I guess it's references rather than actual scenes.

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DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:00

Is it actually an island you live on SM?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:08

Aha. I had not noticed what the certificate was, but could tell from what Deborah Bull was saying that the themes were not going to be suitable for one of so tender years and I would avoid exposing GardenGirl to it for the eating disorders alone. We are already battling some low-level body image stuff ("my legs are too fat" and so on).

Massive - I don't want to pry but why can't you get out of an evening? Is MrMassive* at work? Do you not have a nice obliging teenager nearby for babysitting? Our life has been transformed by two neighbours' daughters reaching babysitting age - even though we still don't go out much, at least we know we could.

This is the Jane Eyre film for which we saw the trailer last night. Whaddya know, Harry Lloyd (aka Will Scarlett) is in it.

  • This does sound uncomfortably like SATC's Big who (as far as I could see on my very few viewings was a charmless oaf).
ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:10

Oh dear. My question plus Spiro's question begins to sound like an interrogation.

::Bundles Massive into the back of a transit van and takes her to the Safe House for further questioning::

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 17:19

No, it isn't an island, that was just for a change from the river...

I can't get out in the evening because Mr Massive hates going out in the evening and hates me going out without him even more.
(Superman is even worse isn't it?)

Any further information will only be divulged under torture administered by a pretty spy man

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 17:23

PS. I wouldn't exactly call Mr Massive a charmless oaf. He is not entirely without charm, at least Grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:30

Exactly. My quibble about the appellation MrMassive is that (for me anyway) it creates a sort of word association with Big, who was (I thought) a charmless oaf. I am quite sure that your own chosen life partner is no such thing, hence his place in your affections. I think Superman sounds rather good (although presumably he would not be wearing tights on the balmy tropical island and certainly not with his pants on top).

Now, if you would like to accompany my colleague Mr Smith to an undisclosed and top secret location, he has some further questions for you.

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:37

Mr Rochester!?

...a much better alternative (hurrumph)

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:38

Can I come for interrogation too?! Grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:42

Who is this Michael Fassbender person of whom they speak?

You're quite right, Spiro, about there being other actors who might, ahem, perform well in the role but I suspect that anyone who was trying to diversify would think that Messrs Thornton and Rochester were too alike. And there is the bijou problemette that Mr Rochester is supposed not to be handsome, even before the fire.

Gratuitous cravat shot

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 17:42

Now, if you would like to accompany my colleague Mr Smith

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:43

You'll appreciate http://www.richardarmitagenet.com/images/gallery/nands/album/N&SPromo/album/slides/N&SPromo13.html Maud.

I'm not quite sure what it is about him in that pic but if I was her I'd be a puddle on the cobblestones!

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:44

ROFL @ Massive! Grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:49

That link won't work for me, Spiro.

::Dabs forehead with cologne-soaked hankie::

::Frets::

Oh well. We won't be seeing Massive for a while.

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 17:49

"Your eyes dwell on a Vulcan" Grin
I always want to do the salute and say live long and prosper when I hear that line.

Surely they could make The Man not look handsome, if they tried reely reely reely hard?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 17:49

Aha. There was a rogue space.

::wibble::

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 17:54

I like him in North & South but it's never occurred to me to think of Mr Thornton as sexy.

I may have just changed my mind...

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 18:01

Oh, I don't know, Spiro, he's very smouldery, and when the cravat comes off...
Took me a while to figure out how to see what you ladies are talking about. But it's difficult when you've got your hands tied behind your back.

PhoenixRisingFromTheAshes · 15/02/2011 18:25

. Mr....Thornton....not....sexy.....the very idea is so ridiculous!

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DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 19:03

Lovely, Phoenix, but not sexy in a phwoooar sense until I saw that pic.

I don't know if it's the expression on his face or the testosterone laden pose but that photo reminds me of Gizzy's adventures courtesy of Massive at the weekend, except not so much "You - horse - now" as "You - bedroom - now" Grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/02/2011 20:19

I despair of you, Spiro, I really do. Sexy does not have to be tattooed or encased in sweaty leather, you know. Have you read the book?

I defy you to read this and not quiver.

Mr. Thornton stood by one of the windows, with his back to the door, apparently absorbed in watching something in the street. But, in truth, he was afraid of himself. His heart beat thick at the thought of her coming. He could not forget the touch of her arms around his neck, impatiently felt as it had been at the time; but now the recollection of her clinging defence of him, seemed to thrill him through and through,--to melt away every resolution, all power of self-control, as if it were wax before a fire. He dreaded lest he should go forwards to meet her, with his arms held out in mute entreaty that she would come and nestle there, as she had done, all unheeded, the day before, but never unheeded again. His heart throbbed loud and quick Strong man as he was, he trembled at the anticipation of what he had to say, and how it might be received. She might droop, and flush, and flutter to his arms, as to her natural home and resting-place. One moment, he glowed with impatience at the thought that she might do this, the next, he feared a passionate rejection, the very idea of which withered up his future with so deadly a blight that he refused to think of it. He was startled by the sense of the presence of some one else in the room. He turned round. She had come in so gently, that he had never heard her; the street noises had been more distinct to his inattentive ear than her slow movements, in her soft muslin gown.

(...)

Mr. Thornton made a hasty step or two forwards; recovered himself, and went with quiet firmness to the door (which she had left open), and shut it. Then he came back, and stood opposite to her for a moment, receiving the general impression of her beautiful presence, before he dared to disturb it, perhaps to repel it, by what he had to say.

'Miss Hale, I was very ungrateful yesterday--'

'You had nothing to be grateful for,' said she, raising her eyes, and looking full and straight at him. 'You mean, I suppose, that you believe you ought to thank me for what I did.' In spite of herselfin defiance of her angerthe thick blushes came all over her face, and burnt into her very eyes; which fell not nevertheless from their grave and steady look. 'It was only a natural instinct; any woman would have done just the same. We all feel the sanctity of our sex as a high privilege when we see danger. I ought rather,' said she, hastily, 'to apologise to you, for having said thoughtless words which sent you down into the danger.'

'It was not your words; it was the truth they conveyed, pun-gently as it was expressed. But you shall not drive me off upon that, and so escape the expression of my deep gratitude, my--' he was on the verge now; he would not speak in the haste of his hot passion; he would weigh each word. He would; and his will was triumphant. He stopped in mid career.

'I do not try to escape from anything,' said she. 'I simply say, that you owe me no gratitude; and I may add, that any expression of it will be painful to me, because I do not feel that I deserve it. Still, if it will relieve you from even a fancied obligation, speak on.'

'I do not want to be relieved from any obligation,' said he, goaded by her calm manner. Fancied, or not fanciedI question not myself to know whichI choose to believe that I owe my very life to youaysmile, and think it an exaggeration if you will. I believe it, because it adds a value to that life to thinkoh, Miss Hale!' continued he, lowering his voice to such a tender intensity of passion that she shivered and trembled before him, 'to think circumstance so wrought, that whenever I exult in existence henceforward, I may say to myself, "All this gladness in life, all honest pride in doing my work in the world, all this keen sense of being, I owe to her!" And it doubles the gladness, it makes the pride glow, it sharpens the sense of existence till I hardly know if it is pain or pleasure, to think that I owe it to onenay, you must, you shall hear'said he, stepping forwards with stern determination'to one whom I love, as I do not believe man ever loved woman before.' He held her hand tight in his. He panted as he listened for what should come. He threw the hand away with indignation, as he heard her icy tone; for icy it was, though the words came faltering out, as if she knew not where to find them.

'Your way of speaking shocks me. It is blasphemous. I cannot help it, if that is my first feeling. It might not be so, I dare say, if I understood the kind of feeling you describe. I do not want to vex you; and besides, we must speak gently, for mamma is asleep; but your whole manner offends me--'
'How!' exclaimed he. 'Offends you! I am indeed most unfortunate.'

'Yes!' said she, with recovered dignity. 'I do feel offended; and, I think, justly. You seem to fancy that my conduct of yesterday'again the deep carnation blush, but this time with eyes kindling with indignation rather than shame'was a personal act between you and me; and that you may come and thank me for it, instead of perceiving, as a gentleman would--yes! A gentleman,' she repeated, in allusion to their former conversation about that word, 'that any woman, worthy of the name of woman, would come forward to shield, with her reverenced helplessness, a man in danger from the violence of numbers.'

'And the gentleman thus rescued is forbidden the relief of thanks!' he broke in contemptuously. 'I am a man. I claim the right of expressing my feelings.'

'And I yielded to the right; simply saying that you gave me pain by insisting upon it,' she replied, proudly. 'But you seem to have imagined, that I was not merely guided by womanly instinct, but'and here the passionate tears (kept down for longstruggled with vehemently) came up into her eyes, and choked her voice'but that I was prompted by some particular feeling for youyou! Why, there was not a mannot a poor desperate man in all that crowdfor whom I had not more sympathy--for whom I should not have done what little I could more heartily.'

'You may speak on, Miss Hale. I am aware of all these misplaced sympathies of yours. I now believe that it was only your innate sense of oppression(yes; I, though a master, may be oppressed)that made you act so nobly as you did. I know you despise me; allow me to say, it is because you do not understand me.'

'I do not care to understand,' she replied, taking hold of the table to steady herself; for she thought him cruelas, indeed, he wasand she was weak with her indignation.

'No, I see you do not. You are unfair and unjust.'

Margaret compressed her lips. She would not speak in answer to such accusations. But, for all that--for all his savage words, he could have thrown himself at her feet, and kissed the hem of her garment. She did not speak; she did not move. The tears of wounded pride fell hot and fast. He waited awhile, longing for her to say something, even a taunt, to which he might reply. But she was silent. He took up his hat.

'One word more. You look as if you thought it tainted you to be loved by me. You cannot avoid it. Nay, I, if I would, cannot cleanse you from it. But I would not, if I could. I have never loved any woman before: my life has been too busy, my thoughts too much absorbed with other things. Now I love, and will love. But do not be afraid of too much expression on my part.'

'I am not afraid,' she replied, lifting herself straight up. 'No one yet has ever dared to be impertinent to me, and no one ever shall. But, Mr. Thornton, you have been very kind to my father,' said she, changing her whole tone and bearing to a most womanly softness. 'Don't let us go on making each other angry. Pray don't!' He took no notice of her words: he occupied himself in smoothing the nap of his hat with his coat-sleeve, for half a minute or so; and then, rejecting her offered hand, and making as if he did not see her grave look of regret, he turned abruptly away, and left the room. Margaret caught one glance at his face before he went.

When he was gone, she thought she had seen the gleam of washed tears in his eyes; and that turned her proud dislike into something different and kinder, if nearly as painful--self-reproach for having caused such mortification to any one.

'But how could I help it?' asked she of herself. 'I never liked him. I was civil; but I took no trouble to conceal my indifference. Indeed, I never thought about myself or him, so my manners must have shown the truth. All that yesterday, he might mistake. But that is his fault, not mine. I would do it again, if need were, though it does lead me into all this shame and trouble.'

::Regrets that the quivering teacup emoticon has been replaced by Nicholas Higgins' mug::

DumSpiroSpero · 15/02/2011 20:48

Yes, it is very intense in writing, but I'm going on the tv version, which I haven't watched for a few months so perhaps my memory needs refreshing.

I thought he was a lovely character (if a bit of a mummy's boy which is probably down to my own MIL issues rather than any fault in the writing or the adaptation) - still not convinced that he's sexy - sensual maybe (and sometimes that's much nicer) but not sexy per se, for me anyway.

SupermassiveLBD · 15/02/2011 20:55

Yup, I miss the tea-cup too. The mug is very downmarket

'I am a man. I claim the right of expressing my feelings.'

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