I work in a sexual health clinic...ama

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Go for it! Nothing is too much

It gets worse.

I can't believe that it has taken this thread to remind me that sexual health clinics exist! I currently have a mild sexual health worry (see previous post of mine) and am waiting on a GP appt but I wonder now whether I could just rock up to the sexual health clinic drop in session. That would be much quicker.

We can't trust the words you use. What do you mean by "trans male"? A man who says he's a woman or a woman who says she's a man?

If a born female sexed person said, "I'd like a woman to attend to me", would you always send a born female sexed person? And if so, why would stuff about "proof" even cross your mind as an issue?

God, the clunky verbosity you have to use with this stuff. And they're after the word "female" too, so I actually still can't trust any answer.

For clarification , if a woman asks for a female clinician, a trans woman would be sent to them? If yes , this is a clear breach of a woman's right to request a same sexed person to deliver their care.

I use the wording because a transwoman assigned male at birth is a woman. If you're not used to trans inclusive language, it can seem quite clunky. No, they wouldn't necessarily send in a person assigned female at birth, but trans people are less likely to make up the staff team so would, by default, be less likely to see the person. Ive worked with many trans people across different specialities and its really not a problem people here are making out.

What other subjugated groups of people would you tell to stop derailing the thread if offensive language was being used about them?

Absolutely horrendous.

Misogyny is absolutely rife in health care.

You user name doesn’t bear out

she is saying she hasn’t seen any assaults by trans women on women just men on women

the posts elsewhere on mumsnet would have you believe the other way round!

You mean that women who ask for female only intimate care or medical procedures should accept a male if he says he’s a woman? That modern world?

Trans women ARE men

In fact, trans women rates as perpetrators of sexual assaults is disproportionately higher than the general population of men.

So it is practice that you would send a trans woman to a woman whom has specifically asked for a female practitioner. It doesn't matter whether this is 'not much of problem' , this is about respecting the right to request a person of the same sex to carry out intimate care , without gaslighting or shaming or breaching that womans dignity. I feel you are either not a clinician, nor posting in good faith. If you are you have highlighted the disdain you hold for actual women and i would be concerned you are breaching any professional standards you adhere to.

Holy guacamole

You'd send a biological male to examine a female.

NHS misogyny strikes again.

It is a HUGE problem if your service thinks this is OK.

We knew they’d come along soon..acting all stupid to be deliberately awkward

Misogyny because you’re not able to see genitalia of the woman who treats you in a healthcare setting?

Trans language isn't clunky, it's just dishonest and sodding ridiculous ("assigned female" ffs). The language I have to use when you will insist that some men are women - so there is no inoffensive term that actually has a definable meaning, since there's no such thing as a woman if men can be women - is clunky. That's the point. We are all very used to "trans inclusive language", thanks... you may not have noticed but it's been forced on us for a while, women had to go through several courts because it was rendering everything meaningless and now it seems we will still be up against the Newspeak if we visit sexual health clinics and ask that a woman attend us.

So here's the key:

No, they wouldn't necessarily send in a person assigned female at birth

So a vulnerable woman (or not, there isn't actually a purity test for women's rights) requests a woman for her intimate examination, and you might well send a man, tell her he's a woman and tell her it's not ok if she requests "proof", which she would only do because you've lied.

Incidentally, why do you think it's relevant that it doesn't happen often? Is there an acceptable number of times? Is it actually a bad thing so you wish to mitigate it a bit?

I find it staggering that you'd do this, see nothing wrong with it - it's clearly prioritising a dishonest ideology over a patient's consent - and accuse others of being the ones to make too big a deal about transgenderism.

I would ask a lot more questions but I know you won't answer them. Can we at least know the name of the clinic that doesn't respect a patient's request for a female practitioner?

Doenst bear out - here alone

Misogyny because women have no right to boundaries regarding males accessing them.

Misogyny because you can't guarantee that a woman is treating a woman. You're exposing women to men.

In UK prisons, of the male population who claim to be women, 60% have been convicted of sexual crimes, as opposed to only 19% of the general male prison population.

A group of men demand access to women’s spaces, violently and aggressively, and you think that group are SAFER for women to be around?

No it isn’t - your deluded if you think so

transwomen probably get assaulted by men just as much as women more like

the poster tells you herself she’s never seen what your suggesting yet you still cling to your untruth

Your wilful ignorance won’t help women.
But maybe that’s the whole point for you.

other way round your already hijacking’s a useful post for women with your nonsense

I won’t reply anymore and hope the post can get back to its purpose

To add to your edit.

Males are violent towards other males. That’s right.

It doesn’t mean we should allow some of them, based on nothing but their say so, into women’s spaces.

Useful for women, you say?

But then you include men in your definition of women?

We do do a full STD panel as part of routine antenatal.

And you know who you are: if people prefer the term chest feeding or birthing person then they we will use the term they prefer. If they want us to use breastfeeding and mother then we will. It’s that simple. You are allowed to request your own pronouns and language choices, and those will be respected, but it’s not up to you to prevent others from being allowed inclusive language, or to try and limit other’ access to healthcare. We treat every patient with respect and as an individual.

Hi OP, you've responded to a few questions since I last posted but haven't replied to mine. Are you qualified to administer medical advice?

You've told someone on this thread they don't need to disclose a potentially transmittable lifelong infection new sexual partners which is very concerning. You've also made some claims regarding drug efficacy.

I can work on reception in a law firm it doesn't make me a solicitor.