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I am a tourist is Jerusalem right now AMA

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 03:57

I am a tourist in Jerusalem. AMA. I thought I was prepared for this trip but I really wasn’t.

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InteriorPond · 22/10/2025 16:29

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 04:42

I thought being granted a visa and entry meant freedom to explore as a British tourist.

And what transpired?

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:29

MaudlinGazebo · 22/10/2025 14:07

Funny thread!
OP heavily breadcrumbed to get lots of questions about the evil heavy hand of oppression by the IDF so she could start a hate fest thread about all the horrible Israelis, and instead has two pages of questions about insurance. V Mumsnet! Never change!

I will admit that I was not expecting heavy handedness from the IDF but have received it. POC appear to be treated even heavier handed. I accept it was foolish of me to expect better treatment than Arabs due to being a Brit and I was wholly unprepared in this regard. I don’t want it to turn into a hate fest so perhaps will caveat the AMA with - no further questions about the IDF as I wouldn’t want to discourage others from visiting a place that should be available to all.

Less diversity across those who visit will result in a likelihood in the sites of some of the other abrahamic faiths being lost. My ideal would be that spaces are shared. I learnt today a local church has booked out the whole month of ramadan to allow Muslims to use it as accommodation and a prayer facility. I also learnt that the family that safeguards the Holy Scripture Church is Muslim. It was heartwarming to hear and see the mutual respect.

I have a couple of Jewish friends in the U.K. One whom has visited Israel a number of times and suggested I visit whilst I can as it’s been a place I’ve wanted to visit for a long time. She told me many tales of her visits and showed me photos from more recent trips taken by her family and friends. I appreciate her viewpoint may be skewed as she is less practicing than others and married to a Christian man.

Many of the Arabs and Christians seem to live alongside each other and have stores next to each other too. It feels like the majority of Jews and Arabs/christians co-exist rather than intertwine. I have not seen any visible tension between the Jews, Arabs and Christians. I did see a large flag with make Gaza Jewish again written on it but nothing beyond that.

We have travelled as a mixed group to many of the sites without any issues other than at checkpoints and entry to Temple Mount. Entry to Temple Mount was not a nice experience but when we did eventually manage to get in, it was very peaceful inside. Most of the Muslims in our group have been turned away by military when trying to attend Temple Mount for religious prayers. They are being told no entry for the U.K 😳 One man walked 12,000 steps this morning going from gate to gate after being told to go to a different gate by guards each time. He was denied entry at all despite showing his passport, Visa card and carrying no bag etc.

It does not feel like a war zone as everything is calm other than the very visible military presence and intimidation by way of interrogation and restrictions implemented without any consistency. You can feel the oppression in the air.

There are a lot of questions above re:insurance. It was a calculated risk and having had the unfortunate experience of a family member needing a medical aircraft for a 9 hour flight weeks after suffering a stroke abroad, I’m aware of the costs associated. My decision to come here is unorthodox but I assure you I am not selfish and wouldn’t expect anybody’s taxes to be spent on my repatriation should it be needed!

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Bumblebee72 · 22/10/2025 16:33

pinkdelight · 22/10/2025 15:56

So I'm reading this wrong?
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/israel
Because it seems to me to have a bold header upfront that says: "FCDO advises against all travel to parts of Israel."
Sure it goes on to get into more specific detail below, but I'm kinda basic in that I take the headline with the exclamation point to be the main takeaway message.

You have literally posted the map that shows you are reading it wrong in your post.

pinkdelight · 22/10/2025 16:36

Bumblebee72 · 22/10/2025 16:33

You have literally posted the map that shows you are reading it wrong in your post.

Well I posted a one line link via my phone, the tech that picks what pops up is out of my control.

Mumsntfan1 · 22/10/2025 16:40

"Most of the Muslims in our group have been turned away by military when trying to attend Temple Mount for religious prayers. "

Like ALL Jews.

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:41

@ApricotDanish83@Peonies12During my visit, my conscience has reminded me that there are many Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem whom rely on tourism to be able to sustain their lives here as they don’t have government support and have had obstacles put in place to restrict religious tourism. It is currently a huge struggle for them in so many ways. My conscience tells me that I should support the local businesses and help them earn a living in their local community by spending with them where I can. My conscience tells me that without tourism and celebrating the multiculturalism that once existed in this holy land, it will be eroded. My conscience has at times felt helpless but not hopeless. If you ever visit and see the gratitude they have for your presence, their open hearts and humility, you will perhaps take a different view.

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ApricotDanish83 · 22/10/2025 16:49

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:41

@ApricotDanish83@Peonies12During my visit, my conscience has reminded me that there are many Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem whom rely on tourism to be able to sustain their lives here as they don’t have government support and have had obstacles put in place to restrict religious tourism. It is currently a huge struggle for them in so many ways. My conscience tells me that I should support the local businesses and help them earn a living in their local community by spending with them where I can. My conscience tells me that without tourism and celebrating the multiculturalism that once existed in this holy land, it will be eroded. My conscience has at times felt helpless but not hopeless. If you ever visit and see the gratitude they have for your presence, their open hearts and humility, you will perhaps take a different view.

I find that to be a really weak excuse.

Sometimes local businesses suffer. That’s as a consequence of their government. Maybe they could be persuaded to put pressure on the government to hold an election and change administration.

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:53

Mumsntfan1 · 22/10/2025 16:40

"Most of the Muslims in our group have been turned away by military when trying to attend Temple Mount for religious prayers. "

Like ALL Jews.

My experience is a small snippet but I can say that I have seen Jews entering at least twice for morning prayers this week without any checking of ID’s or questioning. There appears to be an unwritten policy for the Muslims with many guards stating no entry for the U.K and at times even explicitly saying no U.K Muslims . If there is a blanket policy or specific timings where entry is allowed/not allowed, I suspect it would be easier to digest as you’d know what the expectations are and abide by the rules set. I can only share my own experiences and those I have seen second hand travelling from our travelling group/those staying in our accommodation. I don’t want it to turn in to a bashing thread of anybody so will leave that as my final response on that issue.

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Mumsntfan1 · 22/10/2025 17:04

The only people allowed to pray on the temple mount are Muslims. There are several entrance points only open to them. Christians and Jews are only allowed through one entrance and only at certain times. Jews and Christians are not allowed to pray and will be arrested if caught doing so. Maybe you mean HaKotel and not Temple Mount if you saw Jews praying.

samG76 · 22/10/2025 17:08

OP - Jews aren't allowed to pray on Temple Mount. When they do they often get arrested. I doubt very much whether they went for morning prayers. And the Temple Mount is under the control of the Waqf. If there is an anti-British policy it is their fault.

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:10

Yes, I was going to say that the Waqf control this. Also, by IDF do you mean the Israeli police? Unless things have changed, it was always the police there rather than the army.

Homegrownberries · 22/10/2025 17:12

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 03:57

I am a tourist in Jerusalem. AMA. I thought I was prepared for this trip but I really wasn’t.

Sure you are 🙄

keepeofthesevenkeys · 22/10/2025 17:25

I don’t want it to turn in to a bashing thread of anybody so will leave that as my final response on that issue.

Yes, I'm sure you definitely don't want to turn it into that...

ApricotDanish83 · 22/10/2025 17:34

keepeofthesevenkeys · 22/10/2025 17:25

I don’t want it to turn in to a bashing thread of anybody so will leave that as my final response on that issue.

Yes, I'm sure you definitely don't want to turn it into that...

can people not even discuss Israel without now being accused of all sorts??,

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:36

@samG76@Mumsntfan1I know it’s not supposed to be allowed but I have seen this twice this week. I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed as I am sure the muslim/jewish prayer times differ so I see no reason why it shouldn’t be a shared space.

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:39

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:10

Yes, I was going to say that the Waqf control this. Also, by IDF do you mean the Israeli police? Unless things have changed, it was always the police there rather than the army.

No it’s definitely not the police. There isn’t a great deal of noticeable police presence and they are quite hard to spot compared to the soldiers who are everywhere. The guide said the soldiers are supposed to be under Jordanian command but they’re not.

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Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:41

Are you sure this was Temple Mount? There are very specific agreements in place. The Waqf are in charge, they are Jordanian backed.
This sounds really very strange.

SparklyCardigan · 22/10/2025 17:45

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 15:33

Right! Perhaps because she's doing this from Israel rather than the UK.

Nope, pretty sure it's because you don't know how to navigate a website on your device...

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:47

SparklyCardigan · 22/10/2025 17:45

Nope, pretty sure it's because you don't know how to navigate a website on your device...

Why so rude? No need.

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:48

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:41

Are you sure this was Temple Mount? There are very specific agreements in place. The Waqf are in charge, they are Jordanian backed.
This sounds really very strange.

I assure you it was Temple Mount. As I said before I don’t know if this is the norm but it definitely happened at least twice this week as I saw it myself.

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:51

Have just googled as some of the other comments questioning whether I’m even a tourist in Jerusalem will likely start to say I’m making it up. This article was published fairly recently on a Jewish website so likely to be unbiased in favour of anybody except for Jews and it mentions the increase in Jews praying openly at Temple Mount.

https://www.jns.org/temple-mount-sees-surge-in-jewish-visits-and-open-worship/

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:58

biased in favour typo*

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Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:58

Whereabouts are you staying, is the accommodation good?
What are your plans for tomorrow?

dairydebris · 22/10/2025 18:59

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 17:36

@samG76@Mumsntfan1I know it’s not supposed to be allowed but I have seen this twice this week. I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed as I am sure the muslim/jewish prayer times differ so I see no reason why it shouldn’t be a shared space.

I find it very surprising that you've traveled all the way to Israel but still dont understand why the Western Wall / Haram al Sharif / Al Aqsa / the whole area isn't a shared space. Did you do any research at all into the history of your destination?

When I've traveled to Israel in the past, even in peacetime, I've always been warned that security is tight, give extra time for flights, expect to be searched, expect to be questioned, brusquely at times. Expect to see guns around at all times.

Do you understand why security is tight often in Israel?

Why did you travel there?

Doobiesista · 22/10/2025 21:44

ApricotDanish83 · 22/10/2025 16:49

I find that to be a really weak excuse.

Sometimes local businesses suffer. That’s as a consequence of their government. Maybe they could be persuaded to put pressure on the government to hold an election and change administration.

Do you only travel to countries where you are politically aligned with their government? Would you be ok with businesses in this country to bear the brunt of decisions taken out of their hand?