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I am a tourist is Jerusalem right now AMA

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 03:57

I am a tourist in Jerusalem. AMA. I thought I was prepared for this trip but I really wasn’t.

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watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 21:50

dairydebris · 22/10/2025 18:59

I find it very surprising that you've traveled all the way to Israel but still dont understand why the Western Wall / Haram al Sharif / Al Aqsa / the whole area isn't a shared space. Did you do any research at all into the history of your destination?

When I've traveled to Israel in the past, even in peacetime, I've always been warned that security is tight, give extra time for flights, expect to be searched, expect to be questioned, brusquely at times. Expect to see guns around at all times.

Do you understand why security is tight often in Israel?

Why did you travel there?

I did but I also didn’t realise how much space is shared between Christian’s and Muslims until I got here hence why I said I wish shared spaces could be an option. Surely it has to be better than the current situation whereby everybody loses out? I was also told about the checks etc before I came but I didn’t realise just how brutal it was for those of us visiting as tourists. I naively suspected that some of the narrations and reports were sensationalised or that there must be ‘more to stories’ but having seen a snapshot of moments in time over the last week and having experienced some of it first hand, I realise it is downplayed to a certain extent to encourage people of different faiths to continue to visit.

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Mumsntfan1 · 22/10/2025 22:02

"I was also told about the checks etc before I came but I didn’t realise just how brutal it was for those of us visiting as tourists."

What you you mean by brutal? That you had to answer some questions? It's to keep you and other tourists safe.

AMuffinWalloper · 22/10/2025 23:45

What's been the best thing you've eaten so far on your trip?

dairydebris · 23/10/2025 07:44

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 21:50

I did but I also didn’t realise how much space is shared between Christian’s and Muslims until I got here hence why I said I wish shared spaces could be an option. Surely it has to be better than the current situation whereby everybody loses out? I was also told about the checks etc before I came but I didn’t realise just how brutal it was for those of us visiting as tourists. I naively suspected that some of the narrations and reports were sensationalised or that there must be ‘more to stories’ but having seen a snapshot of moments in time over the last week and having experienced some of it first hand, I realise it is downplayed to a certain extent to encourage people of different faiths to continue to visit.

I'm sorry you don't seem to be enjoying your trip much 😟. I guess I didn't experience the security as oppressive but more as proof of what a unique, important place I was in. It really felt like a privilege to be there. I noticed how close all the important bits are too- what youre referring to as shared spaces, but found it more inspiring that it was possible.

Are you finding it emotional to be amoung such sacred places?

PurpleThistle7 · 23/10/2025 08:28

I find this thread somewhat bewildering but I hope you can find some time to enjoy yourself since you went all that way and took all those risks. I am very confused as to why you thought being British would get you some sort of special privilege - the British have a complicated history in the region and people have a long memory.

Please remember that nothing you are experiencing as a snapshot is a full picture. Israel has thousands of years of history and lots of division. There’s been violence pretty constantly since the beginning and the majority of the Israeli population will be current or ex military (or children of course) so it’s a very different situation to many other places. They’ve also learned that it’s better to be careful then friendly.

Mostly I don’t understand what you’re doing there but since you are there you should try to accept the reality of it and enjoy the bits in between.

Bernardo1 · 23/10/2025 20:07

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 04:42

I thought being granted a visa and entry meant freedom to explore as a British tourist.

Do not watch the news?

Mumsntfan1 · 23/10/2025 21:07

" thought being granted a visa and entry meant freedom to explore as a British tourist."

You don't need a visa if you're British. You're as free to explore as anybody else. Were you expecting extra rights?

Mangetoutmangetouti · 23/10/2025 21:18

This is fucked up. Are you a mum posting on mumsnet?
Why would you go to a country at war and with warnings that the situation even in touristy places could change and become dangerous at any time , especially if you are a parent?
there’s billions of other historically , culturally and architecturally significant destinations you could go to across the world where there isn’t war raging around every corner

it’s reckless and should something happen to you , you are taking away help from those who have no choice but to be there.

What a cavalier attitude, it’s not an extreme sport ffs

OverDram · 24/10/2025 07:40

Op I’m glad you have seen what a lot of us have been talking about. As you said, you thought it was exaggerated but it’s not.

samG76 · 24/10/2025 13:53

Mangetout - a bit dystopian. The residents are very pleased to see tourists and I've taken my family there. How are we taking away help from locals in the case of an emergency? Israeli healthcare system is really good - much better than ours - I'm sure they'll cope.

Beachtastic · 24/10/2025 22:26

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:41

@ApricotDanish83@Peonies12During my visit, my conscience has reminded me that there are many Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem whom rely on tourism to be able to sustain their lives here as they don’t have government support and have had obstacles put in place to restrict religious tourism. It is currently a huge struggle for them in so many ways. My conscience tells me that I should support the local businesses and help them earn a living in their local community by spending with them where I can. My conscience tells me that without tourism and celebrating the multiculturalism that once existed in this holy land, it will be eroded. My conscience has at times felt helpless but not hopeless. If you ever visit and see the gratitude they have for your presence, their open hearts and humility, you will perhaps take a different view.

Your conscience sounds like it's working overtime OP, why on earth did you go to Israel of all places if you feel so morally compromised? It sounds rather exhausting.

If you could ensure that your British tourist cash could be filtered away from Israelis and bestowed purely upon Christians and Muslism without government support, would that make you happier during your time there?

Mumsntfan1 · 25/10/2025 08:49

"If you could ensure that your British tourist cash could be filtered away from Israelis and bestowed purely upon Christians and Muslism without government support, would that make you happier during your time there?"

Two million Muslims are Israelis.

Beachtastic · 25/10/2025 09:06

Mumsntfan1 · 25/10/2025 08:49

"If you could ensure that your British tourist cash could be filtered away from Israelis and bestowed purely upon Christians and Muslism without government support, would that make you happier during your time there?"

Two million Muslims are Israelis.

Yes, I was just curious about OP's wording earlier! I should really have said "Jews" but am not sure what s/he has in mind.

AngryLikeHades · 25/10/2025 09:11

Asunciondeflata · 22/10/2025 17:41

Are you sure this was Temple Mount? There are very specific agreements in place. The Waqf are in charge, they are Jordanian backed.
This sounds really very strange.

Probably because it's not true. Who travels to Israel now and gives an inaccurate account

AMuffinWalloper · 25/10/2025 12:12

Wondering if I'll get an answer to my first question but I have more- why would you think that a heavily contested, volatile area with huge religious and cultural significance in a country that's been on a war footing for the last two years might have a higher than normal military presence? What made you assume that tourists of any nationality or religion would be exempt from the current heightened tensions and checks?

dairydebris · 25/10/2025 12:39

Less than a 1% chance OP is actually in Israel and a significantly higher chance this was a thinly veiled attempt at more Israel bashing. Yawn.

BlindSpotForCats · 25/10/2025 12:49

AMuffinWalloper · 25/10/2025 12:12

Wondering if I'll get an answer to my first question but I have more- why would you think that a heavily contested, volatile area with huge religious and cultural significance in a country that's been on a war footing for the last two years might have a higher than normal military presence? What made you assume that tourists of any nationality or religion would be exempt from the current heightened tensions and checks?

Yes this. How utterly perplexing of the OP. It sounds almost as if the OP thought that being a tourist meant she could observe this funny place like she's watching game footage.

SharonEllis · 25/10/2025 13:27

dairydebris · 25/10/2025 12:39

Less than a 1% chance OP is actually in Israel and a significantly higher chance this was a thinly veiled attempt at more Israel bashing. Yawn.

You'd think there were plentry of less elaborate ways to do that on MN 😆

dairydebris · 25/10/2025 13:30

SharonEllis · 25/10/2025 13:27

You'd think there were plentry of less elaborate ways to do that on MN 😆

Pick a thread, any thread 🙄

SharonEllis · 25/10/2025 13:32

dairydebris · 25/10/2025 13:30

Pick a thread, any thread 🙄

For sure.

ChessBess · 25/10/2025 13:41

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 22/10/2025 16:29

I will admit that I was not expecting heavy handedness from the IDF but have received it. POC appear to be treated even heavier handed. I accept it was foolish of me to expect better treatment than Arabs due to being a Brit and I was wholly unprepared in this regard. I don’t want it to turn into a hate fest so perhaps will caveat the AMA with - no further questions about the IDF as I wouldn’t want to discourage others from visiting a place that should be available to all.

Less diversity across those who visit will result in a likelihood in the sites of some of the other abrahamic faiths being lost. My ideal would be that spaces are shared. I learnt today a local church has booked out the whole month of ramadan to allow Muslims to use it as accommodation and a prayer facility. I also learnt that the family that safeguards the Holy Scripture Church is Muslim. It was heartwarming to hear and see the mutual respect.

I have a couple of Jewish friends in the U.K. One whom has visited Israel a number of times and suggested I visit whilst I can as it’s been a place I’ve wanted to visit for a long time. She told me many tales of her visits and showed me photos from more recent trips taken by her family and friends. I appreciate her viewpoint may be skewed as she is less practicing than others and married to a Christian man.

Many of the Arabs and Christians seem to live alongside each other and have stores next to each other too. It feels like the majority of Jews and Arabs/christians co-exist rather than intertwine. I have not seen any visible tension between the Jews, Arabs and Christians. I did see a large flag with make Gaza Jewish again written on it but nothing beyond that.

We have travelled as a mixed group to many of the sites without any issues other than at checkpoints and entry to Temple Mount. Entry to Temple Mount was not a nice experience but when we did eventually manage to get in, it was very peaceful inside. Most of the Muslims in our group have been turned away by military when trying to attend Temple Mount for religious prayers. They are being told no entry for the U.K 😳 One man walked 12,000 steps this morning going from gate to gate after being told to go to a different gate by guards each time. He was denied entry at all despite showing his passport, Visa card and carrying no bag etc.

It does not feel like a war zone as everything is calm other than the very visible military presence and intimidation by way of interrogation and restrictions implemented without any consistency. You can feel the oppression in the air.

There are a lot of questions above re:insurance. It was a calculated risk and having had the unfortunate experience of a family member needing a medical aircraft for a 9 hour flight weeks after suffering a stroke abroad, I’m aware of the costs associated. My decision to come here is unorthodox but I assure you I am not selfish and wouldn’t expect anybody’s taxes to be spent on my repatriation should it be needed!

You’re wondering why they were more heavy handed than you assumed they would be? It’s hardly surprising, they will be wondering why foreign nationals are choosing to go on a trip to a county that’s had so much conflict in the last couple of years. It’s been far from a safe haven.

Just because you ‘can’, doesn’t mean you should. It reminds me of driving past the scene of a fatal accident and people are rubber necking. It’s not illegal but it’s a bit crass.

Beachtastic · 25/10/2025 19:32

dairydebris · 25/10/2025 12:39

Less than a 1% chance OP is actually in Israel and a significantly higher chance this was a thinly veiled attempt at more Israel bashing. Yawn.

Hastily checking notes before launching another attempt...

TrainTrackTrials · 25/10/2025 19:45

There’s always a lot of police and IDF presence in the Old city. I have been since 2022 but is it much different now? I was refused entry as a tourist to al Aqsa mosque 20 years ago.

In the north, Arabs and Jews live side by side. They don’t mix so much but that’s partly because of religious holidays not coinciding and separate schools. So they don’t grow up together.

Beachtastic · 25/10/2025 20:00

Having more or less accustomed myself to accepting "Isreal" as the name of a country, we should at least applaud the correct spelling of "Jerusalem." So much room for error.

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 25/10/2025 22:50

Hello sorry I left the thread as the app was playing up and then I got busy with the catching up with life upon my return. I am pleased to report I’m back on British soil without any misfortune.

@Mumsntfan1What I meant by brutal wasn’t just being asked questions. I was shouted at in the face and felt quite intimidated at times. I also saw a Brit being physically pushed without any verbal interaction. Perhaps visa was the wrong word to use? The ETA/printed card that is issued after security clearance. I wasn’t expecting extra rights but I wasn’t expecting security to close off roads and historic sites declaring no tourists but then allowing other groups of tourists to enter. 😬

@AMuffinWalloper Oh the food!! The food was amazing- it is hard to pick a favourite but one of my favourite meals was at a terrace cafe in a place called Battir. We stopped off there on our way to a different city and the food was delicious. They put on a breakfast banquet for us which included approx 12 different dishes which we shared like tapas. The view from the cafe was that of allotments/plantations and a Roman pool. Aside from that meal, I really enjoyed the fresh fruit juices, the kunafe, falafel wraps and baklava in the old city. I found myself buying food/drinks for the sake of buying something as the local shop owners were so friendly and kept offering us free lemon & mint drinks each time we walked past. The hospitality from the local people was heartwarming.

In response to your second question- a higher than normal military presence is understandable. If they checked ID’s and saw all was in order and let you proceed to where you’re going then that would be fine. It’s the random stops (of people that look a certain way) asking for ID then refusing entry for no given reason. I didn’t expect any exemptions, just equality and a protocol that is applied fairly and consistently.

@dairydebrisI’m so sorry I didn’t meant to sound as though I wasn’t enjoying my trip- I really did but was just taken aback by some of the things I saw and the way in which we and others were treated. It did feel like a privilege to be there and emotional too but again it was very bitter sweet as I saw others being turned away. I hope that one day I can visit again and will feel differently about it.

Just saw your second comment- I was in Jerusalem and it was not an attempt at Israel bashing. In fact, I’ve tried to actively avoid that.

@PurpleThistle7It’s not that I thought being British would give me privilege. It’s that I thought it would be a security and protection to be treated fairly which I didn’t always feel myself and those in our group were. As outsiders, we will never understand the full picture. Only those who live there and have seen the country change over the years will know. It was fascinating speaking to some of the locals.

@Bernardo1I do watch the news. Jerusalem is far from the West Bank and Gaza.

@MangetoutmangetoutiI am a parent playing on Mumsnet. I went to a country that I wasn’t sure if get to visit in the future with the way that things are going. As I said previously, I have friends who have been numerous times in the last few years and reported that Jerusalem and tel Aviv are a world away from what you see in the media.

@samG76 The residents being so pleased to see tourists was very humbling. These people who have very little themselves kept trying to give us small tokens of appreciation like fruits.

@BeachtasticIt was quite exhausting and emotionally draining at times but that was mainly because I wasn’t expecting to see the blatant disparity. I wasn’t prepared for it and thought that some of the things I’d seen on social media was somewhat exaggerated. As for British tourist cash being filtered away - i suppose my logic was more of the help the little guys-shop local mentality. The religion aspect matters less so but it’s clear that there is lots of Jewish tourism in Israel so that sector already received lots of support.

@SharonEllis@dairydebris I assure you I have better things to do than make up an AMA about my trip 🤣

@ChessBess You say this but my flight there and back was full of tourists. I have friends who have visited multiple times in recent years. Tel aviv has a huge social scene and is a world away from what we see on the news. As for tourist groups in Jerusalem, there are plenty - not as many as I suspect there used to be but in the week I was there, I noticed a number from Romania, America, South Africa, Germany and the U.K.

I have tried to address each of the comments/questions. If I have missed one or two, it’s not intentional so please don’t throw accusations my way! 😆

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