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My daughter only eats pizza. AMA

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IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 18:48

She has ARFID

Posting to give some insight into what life with ARFID is like

OP posts:
increasinglyconcerned · 17/09/2024 21:30

Does she get ill quite often? Just wondering about her gut microbes which thrive on diverse whole foods like nuts, seeds, fruit, veg, anything brightly coloured and detests anything like processed meat and refined carbs.

Philandbill · 17/09/2024 21:30

Correlation · 17/09/2024 21:00

Hi OP,

I'm sorry you're going through this.

My question is, what are her energy levels like? Can she concentrate in lessons at school, for example?

Also, has the limited diet impacted her physical/mental development that you are aware of?

Just going to add another experience. DD1 has ARFID and is now late teens. She's had the support of an excellent NHS paediatric dietitian from the age of two until she was eighteen. She had a nutritional supplement which thankfully tasted like one of her safe foods so she would drink it. She was very thin whilst growing, especially from about 13 to 15 when she had a growth spurt. However she had lots of energy - swam well, long hikes with guides, etc. Also had plenty of focus for school and is now at university. But ARFID is hard socially, she is very aware of her difficulties and hates that she can't easily go out to eat with friends and how different this makes her look.

AnnieMcFanny · 17/09/2024 21:30

Saz12 · 17/09/2024 21:24

It must be such hard going to have ARFID, and be a parent of a child with it.

Ignorant question, but do things improve if the person is less anxious or stressed in general?

And, is there ever times in older children where "if I eat that I'll be sick" can be helped - eg "OK, I guess you might feel sick, or even be sick, but you're at home in private and whilst it's horrible to throw up you will be ok"?

My son, and all the others like him who have severe language and communication impairment along with learning difficulties wouldn't understand what any of the above meant.

Mirabai · 17/09/2024 21:30

Soubriquet · 17/09/2024 21:22

You are not understanding here. It’s not a rational thing. We aren’t going “well I know I can’t eat these foods so I’m going to make sure I can only eat healthy foods”. It doesn’t work like that. I can’t eat pizza. I can’t eat cake. That doesn’t mean I’m also scoffing broccoli and carrots.

Who says I’m not understanding?? I’m saying my safe foods would be ones that feel safe for me.

A friend of mine anorexia when she was younger, her safe foods got more limited until she was pumping her own water to ensure it was pure and eating nothing but vegetables.

Terrribletwos · 17/09/2024 21:31

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 18:56

No, pizza is the only hot meal she has.

She eats pain au chocolates, chocolate crepes and chocolate waffles.

She will very, very occasionally have a chicken nugget happy meal but that is the full extent of her foods.

Does she get constipated? Can't imagine that amount of processed food being good for your gut.

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:32

Youcantcallacatspider · 17/09/2024 21:27

What have you done to encourage her to increase her safe foods? What has been most/least helpful?

In recent years, nothing.

I tried to encourage her when younger to try new things. It always ended up badly and never successful.

It caused tension in both her life and our relationship.

She's older now and whereas I will always ask her 'do you want to try a bit?' I know the answer will be no.

Sometimes she tries things but EVERY time has been her coming to me. Not once has pushing something on her been a positive situation or helped
Quite the opposite so I've learned to not do it.

Imagine you had a spider phobia but everyone else thought spiders were great and people were constantly showing you their spiders and trying to get you to touch them.

I imagine that must be how she feels some times :(

OP posts:
localnotail · 17/09/2024 21:32

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:26

Also responses like this are the reason I started this post.

If posters with views like this read about my daughter and take 5 minutes to do some research on ARFID I think it would really help.

People used to misunderstand anorexia and bulimia the same way years ago. It's all about exposure and education

I'm sorry if I sound preachy or whatever but eating processed meat like pepperoni has been recently proven to be as bad as smoking - it literally causes cancer. I used to love salami and proscuitto but stopped eating anything processed after learning this. But yes, I have no idea and I've never heard about the disorder you daughter has.

realsavagelike · 17/09/2024 21:33

Thank you for starting this thread - it has helped me feel much less alone. My DS (9) doesn't have a formal ARFID diagnosis but I'm certain he has it. Like others on this thread, he would rather starve than not eat his preferred foods. Dinner is an endless parade of take out from either McDonalds, Domino's or some kind of chicken fingers (not home cooked - he refuses that) and I have so much guilt over his unhealthy diet. For breakfast he will either eat store bought pancakes or toast and marmite. His school lunch comes home every day untouched unless I pack him leftover pizza. He will very rarely accept an apple, grapes or watermelon but that's about it for fruits and vegetables. He will happily gorge himself on snacks like goldfish crackers, cake, cookies etc. I am sick of the feeling that I am being judged for 'indulging his fussiness'. At other people's houses he will refuse to eat anything except snacks. He also has a really hard time falling asleep at night unless I give him melatonin. It's never been flagged at school as a concern, but I wonder whether he may be autistic. Does this sound like ARFID to you?

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:33

Mirabai · 17/09/2024 21:30

Who says I’m not understanding?? I’m saying my safe foods would be ones that feel safe for me.

A friend of mine anorexia when she was younger, her safe foods got more limited until she was pumping her own water to ensure it was pure and eating nothing but vegetables.

That's because she was mentally ill and vegetables have near to zero calories.

How are you misinterpreting that as healthy?

That is the opposite of what an person with anorexia needs.

I'm afraid you're just proving you understand nothing about eating disorders.

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AnnieMcFanny · 17/09/2024 21:34

Also, has the limited diet impacted her physical/mental development that you are aware of

My son was never ill. It was almost as if he was cloaked in something that protected him from the poor health that could arise from his food difficulties. Now at 33 and still with serious problems with food he’s 6’3” inches tall and very well built.

crispyeggs · 17/09/2024 21:35

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:32

In recent years, nothing.

I tried to encourage her when younger to try new things. It always ended up badly and never successful.

It caused tension in both her life and our relationship.

She's older now and whereas I will always ask her 'do you want to try a bit?' I know the answer will be no.

Sometimes she tries things but EVERY time has been her coming to me. Not once has pushing something on her been a positive situation or helped
Quite the opposite so I've learned to not do it.

Imagine you had a spider phobia but everyone else thought spiders were great and people were constantly showing you their spiders and trying to get you to touch them.

I imagine that must be how she feels some times :(

People will disagree with me but OP is right. There's literally nothing she can do, and forcing the issue won't help - her daughter is 16, not 6! If she is able to, she will manage her eating habits better as she gets older but OP has to ensure she eats SOMETHING.

Sorry you're getting this judgement OP. My mum was quite old school in most ways but I am still so grateful she wasn't a 'clear your plate' mum and met me where I was. She got told she was enabling me but god, she was the only one who got me x

Scorchio84 · 17/09/2024 21:35

allgrownupnow · 17/09/2024 18:54

Even for breakfast?

Cold pizza is everything

Philandbill · 17/09/2024 21:36

Imagine you had a spider phobia but everyone else thought spiders were great and people were constantly showing you their spiders and trying to get you to touch them.

This is a really good analogy. It's grim when food, which the rest of the world enjoys, gives you no pleasure. And you can't avoid it and most people have no idea of what ARFID is.

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:37

localnotail · 17/09/2024 21:32

I'm sorry if I sound preachy or whatever but eating processed meat like pepperoni has been recently proven to be as bad as smoking - it literally causes cancer. I used to love salami and proscuitto but stopped eating anything processed after learning this. But yes, I have no idea and I've never heard about the disorder you daughter has.

Yes she is Because she literally will not eat anything else.

If I take away her pepperoni she won't eat the pizza base without it.

It's the only hot meal she eats.

So then her diet will be exclusively chocolate bread and pringles.

Is that healthier?

She won't replace her pizza with a nice organic moussaka, she just won't eat.

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CrossUniStudent · 17/09/2024 21:37

@Mirabai people don't get to choose their safe foods Confused

Sirzy · 17/09/2024 21:38

With ARFID eating what is traditionally classed as healthy foods actually often isnt that healthy. The reason DS needs to be tube fed is because he can’t physically eat anywhere near enough calories to sustain him. Apples and lettuce just don’t cut it.

yet people have told me it’s lucky what he eats is “healthy”

Umpteentimesnow · 17/09/2024 21:38

My ds has arfid op, his only hot meal is McDonald's happy meal with chicken nuggets. Everyone else ehe eats is cold/or room tem. He's had it all his life since starting on solids, has never eaten many things despite everyone's best efforts. I've had people tell me I can starve him into submission, if only they realised how ridiculous that suggestion is to someone who has a child with arfid.

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:40

Sirzy · 17/09/2024 21:38

With ARFID eating what is traditionally classed as healthy foods actually often isnt that healthy. The reason DS needs to be tube fed is because he can’t physically eat anywhere near enough calories to sustain him. Apples and lettuce just don’t cut it.

yet people have told me it’s lucky what he eats is “healthy”

Yes, I'm actually quite happy her safe food is pepperoni pizza. It's keeps her calories up.

If her safe food was tuna, carrots and apples she would be severely underweight.

She's verging on it now and all she eats is 'junk' food that supposedly makes you fat!

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Philandbill · 17/09/2024 21:42

Umpteentimesnow · 17/09/2024 21:38

My ds has arfid op, his only hot meal is McDonald's happy meal with chicken nuggets. Everyone else ehe eats is cold/or room tem. He's had it all his life since starting on solids, has never eaten many things despite everyone's best efforts. I've had people tell me I can starve him into submission, if only they realised how ridiculous that suggestion is to someone who has a child with arfid.

You sadly get used to being judged as a mother when your child has ARFID. Funnily enough your second child who has a good diet, is not due to your parenting though their own child's varied diet is as a result of their own superb work as a parent. It's hard not to feel bitter sometimes...

Cuwins · 17/09/2024 21:43

Sirzy · 17/09/2024 21:38

With ARFID eating what is traditionally classed as healthy foods actually often isnt that healthy. The reason DS needs to be tube fed is because he can’t physically eat anywhere near enough calories to sustain him. Apples and lettuce just don’t cut it.

yet people have told me it’s lucky what he eats is “healthy”

I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense.
Same as anorexia I guess- it's not actually healthy for them to be eating lettuce and celery even though it might look it at first glance

wizzywig · 17/09/2024 21:44

Hi! Mine only eats hot toast and pizza

IThinkILikeThisLittleLight · 17/09/2024 21:45

increasinglyconcerned · 17/09/2024 21:30

Does she get ill quite often? Just wondering about her gut microbes which thrive on diverse whole foods like nuts, seeds, fruit, veg, anything brightly coloured and detests anything like processed meat and refined carbs.

Absolutely not
I genuinely cannot ever remember her having a sickness bug.

Which is bizarre really. She never gets poorly which I don't understand

OP posts:
Cuwins · 17/09/2024 21:46

@Sirzy sorry I realise your not the OP but I wondered how does your son feel about being tube fed? I assuming for someone with anorexia that would be a massive issue as they would still see it as weight/calories but I'm assuming that's not the case here as people with AFRID seem to want to eat normally/be a normal weight etc

AnnieMcFanny · 17/09/2024 21:46

wizzywig · 17/09/2024 21:44

Hi! Mine only eats hot toast and pizza

My son went through a period of only eating toast with butter day in and day out for months. We’d even time it in the toaster to get the colour correct.

greylamsnert · 17/09/2024 21:47

Tulip8 · 17/09/2024 20:18

What are her teeth like?

What's the thoughts behind sufferers mostly sticking to junk foods?

(No judgment, I'm obese because I like too much junk food, but you don't really heat of ARFID sufferers only eating salad or vegetables. I wondered why).

'Junk food' tends to taste similarly every time. A chip tastes like a chip. Fruit can be hard / squishy / ripe / mushy / sour / sweet etc - sensory nightmare.

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