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I'm a Jewish Israeli, AMA

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israelilefty · 20/12/2023 16:34

Jewish Israeli here. I grew up in a different country but have lived and worked most of my adult life here, living a fairly normal everyday life in northern Israel. When I'm not working, I enjoy cooking and hiking, I'm religiously observant (but also feminist), I'm on the left of the political spectrum, and have everyday contact with people from quite a range of different perspectives - Israeli society is incredibly diverse.

I guess I see us portrayed in a kind of monolithic way in the English-language media, so I'm taking a deep breath and posting here...

Feel free to AMA, just remember you're asking a real person, not a government or military spokesman :) I'll try to answer from my personal standpoint. as long as it's asked in good faith.

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Parkingt111 · 21/10/2024 19:52

@israelilefty I hope not too. The news in the UK reported it as hundreds in attendance with many prominent ministers present. It also highlighted the stark contrast of the dire situation in the Gaza Strip and the conference happening a small distance away, close enough to hear the sounds of artillery fire.

For those who follow the conflict from abroad, this is a terrible development. There is no hiding the timing with the north of Gaza currently being cleansed and the conference taking place at the same time. There was also drone footage shown on the news today of countless Palestinians in the north rounded up surrounded by rubble, with the men then separated from the women and young children, the scenes were quite chilling to witness.

israelilefty · 21/10/2024 20:11

Since a few people are still reading I'll write an update after over a year of war. I'm speaking from a very privileged position: I live in one of the areas towards the north of Israel that has been least affected by rocket fire either from Hamas or Hezbollah, and nobody in my immediate family serves in the army, or was affected directly by Oct 7. I live in a comfortable home and am writing this from my sofa with a purring cat curled up against me. I am writing this to present my own experiences, not to compare them to anyone else's in the region, the majority of which are far more difficult than mine.

And even with that: the war is exhausting. It feels like our lives have been on hold for a year. Everyone is frayed and burned out. I burst into tears on Yom Kippur at the verse from the Psalms which begins the Kol Nidrei service, אור זרוע לצדיק ולישירי לב שמחה (Light is sown for the righteousness and happiness for the honest-hearted) - because I realised how far I, and all of us, are from feeling real happiness. Reminders of the war are everywhere and constant, whether it's pictures of the hostages and yellow ribbons literally everywhere in our town, to an impromptu wall of stickers commemorating fallen solders at the train station in Tel Aviv, to my kid's friend's young mum almost falling apart because her husband has once again been called up for reserve duty leaving her alone with three kids aged 5 and under. But, she says, I'm one of the lucky ones as he's only been gone for 4 months in total - which is relatively little. Plus the general background feeling of total impotence to change anything - despite the constant protests, 101 hostages are still in Gaza and the government has actively decided not to make a deal, the government is still in place and it's hard to even imagine how the region heals after the past year. And still the terrible images roll in day after day.

Security-wise, things feel far more intense in my area since the more intensive escalation with Hezbollah. My workplace which is a bit further north is closed as we don't have sufficient protected spaces. We have had several sirens where I live in the past few weeks, and the recent explosions of drones at the Golani base and Netanyahu's house with no prior warning leave me on edge. But far more intense is the constant plane, drone and helicopter activity overheard and regular sounds of somewhat distant explosions. It's the Sukkot holiday which means a week off school/kindergarten, the weather is beautiful. Last year we were camping in the Golan heights, but this year the north is out of bounds, so today we went hiking in a nature park a few km away. Even doing that required weighing up the odds - a friend who came with us said that there had been a lot of rocket volleys recently to that area, but then we looked at the map and decided that most of them were slightly further north so it didn't seem so unreasonable. Usually on Sukkot this nature park would be packed, but it was almost empty - nobody from further south is coming northwards these days. The lady at the desk took my name and number, just in case, and asked us to check in with her when we returned from our hike. Jokingly, I said, 'if something happens to us, tell everyone we were in favour of peace, and don't let Bibi make any political capital from it'. So we walked in beautiful nature, and heard planes and a few explosions, reached for our phones, figured out it was probably over the sea as our phones didn't seem to mention anything. After a loud one my friend reassured my kid, 'that was our rockets protecting us' - but really who knows what it was. It wasn't listed on the news. Just another explosion in this endless war.

On Thursday we will celebrate Simchat Torah, the Jewish holiday on which the war began last year (the Jewish calendar doesn't align with the Western one and the holidays fall later this year). It is a joyful holiday, capping the intensive high holiday period with dancing and singing, and the kids get little bags of snacks and sweets. It is going to be hard to walk to synagogue on Simchat Torah morning and walk into the moment in which last year I heard the words, from a friend, "Someone on the way here told me there's a war?!!", at which everything changed. Nobody feels like singing and dancing, and even my 4-year old isn't really sure whether Simchat Torah is a happy festival or a fast day.

In between, life goes on. We all work as usual, cook as usual, and try to do what we can to ease the burden for people. For me personally, the most difficult part is the uncertainty - things can and do change on a daily basis, but it's a constant guessing game to try to figure out what happened and how it affects our lives, both in the immediate sense and in the longer term.

As I said at the outset, I am incredibly privileged overall. But I'm writing this to give a picture of what it's like behind the headlines - and in fervent hope and prayer that there will be a speedy end to the violence and the time will come for us to start to heal.

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israelilefty · 21/10/2024 20:19

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2024 19:52

@israelilefty I hope not too. The news in the UK reported it as hundreds in attendance with many prominent ministers present. It also highlighted the stark contrast of the dire situation in the Gaza Strip and the conference happening a small distance away, close enough to hear the sounds of artillery fire.

For those who follow the conflict from abroad, this is a terrible development. There is no hiding the timing with the north of Gaza currently being cleansed and the conference taking place at the same time. There was also drone footage shown on the news today of countless Palestinians in the north rounded up surrounded by rubble, with the men then separated from the women and young children, the scenes were quite chilling to witness.

I know it's worrying but I don't really think it's a "development" - they held pretty much the same conference back in January. The Israeli far right is worrying (especially that Smotrich and Ben Gvir are ministers!) but they still represent relatively ;little of Israeli society and are not part of the security cabinet who actually make the decisions during the war.

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theconfidenceofwho · 21/10/2024 21:36

Wishing you, your family & loved ones all the very best @israelilefty & praying for peace for all.

Santalazy · 22/10/2024 10:23

Thank you @israelilefty for the update. I fervently hope that peace returns for you and for everyone in the region.

Limesodaagain · 22/10/2024 14:07

Thank you @israelilefty for your insights and your voice of reason .
May you and your loved ones be safe .

Limesodaagain · 22/10/2024 14:08

And May peace come soon 🙏

sofasofa42 · 22/10/2024 22:49

I have followed this thread since you started it

Like you I sit in a peaceful part of the world in a privileged position. I am neither Israeli, Jewish nor Arab Muslim.
There is so much I want to say about this conflict and my opinions have swayed so much over the past year .
Thank you for your thoughts and measured insights. I have enjoyed them and hope they keep coming .
I may not be part of this religiously , but my life is actually quite shaped by this conflict and reading you is helping to " work it out" .
Thank you .

israelilefty · 01/02/2025 22:41

I've meant to write for some time, but it's hard to find the words. On one hand, things have calmed down very significantly since the ceasefire in the north. We had quite a few sirens where I live, and it was really only afterwards that I felt the relief of not having to find a stairway to run to with my kid when sirens blared when we were in the park, or whatever, not having drones constantly buzzing in the air, not having to drive home from work on an open road with no shelter at the time of day when missile attacks often happened in that area, and so on.

But until the hostages are home, a public enquiry and a change of government, there is still a gaping wound in Israeli society. It's hard to describe this to somebody outside. We know the names of all of the hostages. Their faces greet us everywhere: on chairs placed along the main street in town, on lines of posters at the entrance to towns and cities. And we all know, at the very least, hostages who are a friend of a friend, or family member of a friend. These weeks are a rollercoaster for every single Israeli. The joy to see families reunited. The unmitigated admiration for young women like Liri Albag and Emily Damari, who advocated for fellow hostages at great personal danger, kept morale up, and , according to reports, both volunteered to stay in captivity so another hostage could be released. The absolute horror at hearing stories emerging of hostages who were kept in solitary confinement for almost 500 days, who were abused physically and mentally by their captors including being placed in cages. The enormous pain of the entire country at seeing Yarden Bibas released without his wife and kids, and Arbel Yehud and Gadi Mozes frightened for their lives in a crowd of militants.

And also another pain, which I don't think is as widely reported: every day on the radio alongside the families of those about to be released, we hear interviews with people whose family members were murdered in appalling circumstances by terrorists - convicted and serving life sentences - who are about to be released as part of the deal. In the most tragic and poignant interview, I heard a man who was blinded in a bombing in a restaurant in Haifa when his family members were killed. The terrorist who supplied the explosive belt to the suicide bomber was about to be released. Notwithstanding what he had gone through he supported the deal -- but as the interviewer pointed out, he was unable to see the joy on the face of the young female soldiers who were released that day. I am in no doubt that some of those Palestinians who are released and had not been tried or convicted were innocent, and I am happy that they will return to their families, but tragically we know that many of those convicted of terror who are released in such deals return to violence. And this is just those being released in exchange for civilians and young, unarmed female soldiers. It is frightening to think of the price we will pay to release captive soldiers, even though it must be paid. It is frightening to see Hamas still in power in Gaza, not only for us but for the sake of the Palestinians, as the masked gunmen in hostage release parades in Gaza don't inspire confidence that Gaza will now be in responsible hands who will invest in the Gazan people, not in terror infrastructure. I am absolutely in favour of the deal, but afraid of the price which might be paid.

It is also worrying looking forward to whether the second and third phases of the deal will be implemented; whether the government will survive or finally collapse triggering elections; how Trump will influence the region; and whether finally the official enquiry into 7.10 will take place, allowing us to take account and move forward. And then there's the expectation, which seems absurd when you think about it but is the only way, that we all carry on with everyday life. Exactly the same work deadlines are there whether there is a war or not. Which explains how I have not found time to write and reflect - there just isn't time to stop and breathe. Because if I stop and breathe, I'm not at a protest to release the hostages, and I might find time to reflect about what it means that my kid, who was 3 when the war started but now is 5, has started to ask me whether there are Hamas people in our town, and whether any of the hostages are kids. About my friend's kid, in his early 20s doing compulsory military service, who has lost a cousin, a teacher and a good 10 friends, in some cases being one of the last people to have spoken to them. He wasn't even allowed a break from the army to attend the funeral of the last good friend who was killed. How will this generation rebuild? And about the destruction in Gaza and what this means about us, and about the possibility of living side by side with the Palestinians.

The last year and a half have changed us as a nation but I don't think we will know exactly how until far into the future. We have seen both the worst and the best of ourselves, reflected in a kaleidoscope that seemed like a bottomless abyss for well over a year and only now seems to slowly be taking steps towards healing and building the future. There is still pain everywhere. but also remarkable resilience, and a complexity of conversation and action about our reality which I don't find reflected in the crass black and white "debates" often taking place overseas. The generosity and breadth of heart of the people working for rehabilitation. I pray that Palestinians and Israelis can now start to move even slowly in the right direction towards peace, stability and rebuilding. As the bumper sticker on the car ahead of me the other day read: War has no winners.

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theconfidenceofwho · 01/02/2025 23:31

Thanks for the update Op - wishing all the very best to you, your family, friends & country.

stomachameleon · 01/02/2025 23:38

@israelilefty thank you for coming back and explaining In a calm but fair way what is happening at the moment in Israel.
War does have no winners unfortunately I echo that. We need to find peace (whatever shape that takes) and try to get back some normality. Nothing seems possible until the taken have been returned the babies are home and accounted for.

Yazzi · 02/02/2025 00:58

israelilefty · 01/02/2025 22:41

I've meant to write for some time, but it's hard to find the words. On one hand, things have calmed down very significantly since the ceasefire in the north. We had quite a few sirens where I live, and it was really only afterwards that I felt the relief of not having to find a stairway to run to with my kid when sirens blared when we were in the park, or whatever, not having drones constantly buzzing in the air, not having to drive home from work on an open road with no shelter at the time of day when missile attacks often happened in that area, and so on.

But until the hostages are home, a public enquiry and a change of government, there is still a gaping wound in Israeli society. It's hard to describe this to somebody outside. We know the names of all of the hostages. Their faces greet us everywhere: on chairs placed along the main street in town, on lines of posters at the entrance to towns and cities. And we all know, at the very least, hostages who are a friend of a friend, or family member of a friend. These weeks are a rollercoaster for every single Israeli. The joy to see families reunited. The unmitigated admiration for young women like Liri Albag and Emily Damari, who advocated for fellow hostages at great personal danger, kept morale up, and , according to reports, both volunteered to stay in captivity so another hostage could be released. The absolute horror at hearing stories emerging of hostages who were kept in solitary confinement for almost 500 days, who were abused physically and mentally by their captors including being placed in cages. The enormous pain of the entire country at seeing Yarden Bibas released without his wife and kids, and Arbel Yehud and Gadi Mozes frightened for their lives in a crowd of militants.

And also another pain, which I don't think is as widely reported: every day on the radio alongside the families of those about to be released, we hear interviews with people whose family members were murdered in appalling circumstances by terrorists - convicted and serving life sentences - who are about to be released as part of the deal. In the most tragic and poignant interview, I heard a man who was blinded in a bombing in a restaurant in Haifa when his family members were killed. The terrorist who supplied the explosive belt to the suicide bomber was about to be released. Notwithstanding what he had gone through he supported the deal -- but as the interviewer pointed out, he was unable to see the joy on the face of the young female soldiers who were released that day. I am in no doubt that some of those Palestinians who are released and had not been tried or convicted were innocent, and I am happy that they will return to their families, but tragically we know that many of those convicted of terror who are released in such deals return to violence. And this is just those being released in exchange for civilians and young, unarmed female soldiers. It is frightening to think of the price we will pay to release captive soldiers, even though it must be paid. It is frightening to see Hamas still in power in Gaza, not only for us but for the sake of the Palestinians, as the masked gunmen in hostage release parades in Gaza don't inspire confidence that Gaza will now be in responsible hands who will invest in the Gazan people, not in terror infrastructure. I am absolutely in favour of the deal, but afraid of the price which might be paid.

It is also worrying looking forward to whether the second and third phases of the deal will be implemented; whether the government will survive or finally collapse triggering elections; how Trump will influence the region; and whether finally the official enquiry into 7.10 will take place, allowing us to take account and move forward. And then there's the expectation, which seems absurd when you think about it but is the only way, that we all carry on with everyday life. Exactly the same work deadlines are there whether there is a war or not. Which explains how I have not found time to write and reflect - there just isn't time to stop and breathe. Because if I stop and breathe, I'm not at a protest to release the hostages, and I might find time to reflect about what it means that my kid, who was 3 when the war started but now is 5, has started to ask me whether there are Hamas people in our town, and whether any of the hostages are kids. About my friend's kid, in his early 20s doing compulsory military service, who has lost a cousin, a teacher and a good 10 friends, in some cases being one of the last people to have spoken to them. He wasn't even allowed a break from the army to attend the funeral of the last good friend who was killed. How will this generation rebuild? And about the destruction in Gaza and what this means about us, and about the possibility of living side by side with the Palestinians.

The last year and a half have changed us as a nation but I don't think we will know exactly how until far into the future. We have seen both the worst and the best of ourselves, reflected in a kaleidoscope that seemed like a bottomless abyss for well over a year and only now seems to slowly be taking steps towards healing and building the future. There is still pain everywhere. but also remarkable resilience, and a complexity of conversation and action about our reality which I don't find reflected in the crass black and white "debates" often taking place overseas. The generosity and breadth of heart of the people working for rehabilitation. I pray that Palestinians and Israelis can now start to move even slowly in the right direction towards peace, stability and rebuilding. As the bumper sticker on the car ahead of me the other day read: War has no winners.

It is so sad that amongst the things self-described left wing Israelis are reckoning with and sorrowful for, the un-utterable suffering brought down on innocent Palestinians does not even make the list.

That 6 year old Hind Rajab was murdered by tank as she sat tearful and alone surrounded by her dead relatives in a car, and the ambulance crew who came to rescue her were killed too.

Amongst literally tens of thousands of horrifying deaths of sweet innocent children. Think about that, too, please, @israelilefty. Thousands upon thousands of innocent children murdered in punishment for crimes that had nothing to do with them, by your army, of your country.

Israeli pain is real. But the cost of Israeli pain, so detailed by you, to innocent Palestinians, is so high, and Israelis justify it or refuse to look at it.

My family is celebrating the release of our family member who was jailed for over a decade and never charged with a crime. His children grew without him. You will like to think of this story as the exception but any research into Palestinian prisoners- from Israeli or Palestinian sources- will show you that actually it's the norm.

israelilefty · 02/02/2025 08:16

@Yazzi Thank you for your thoughtful comments, your willingness to engage and for your openness to come here and read a post from just one perspective coming from "the other side". None of these things go without saying.

I wanted to add some comments about where the Israeli left is at right now. Not in a spirit of self-exoneration, but perhaps to fill out the picture. The short answer about mourning the many thousands of innocent Palestinian lives lost in Gaza is: we are (mostly) not there, yet. There are still far too many fires to fight in the present. We have been demonstrating for an immediate ceasefire for over a year; all of the resources of the here and now are directed right now to supporting the continuation of the ceasefire to stages 2 and 3, so that the war can end and we can avert the very real possibility of it morphing into something even worse. This is what I was out on the street on Friday demonstrating about. The danger is immediate: Smotrich is about to bring down Netanyahu's coalition. His supporters are baying to resume the war and establish settlements in Gaza. These are a small minority of Israelis but their political influence is oversized because they can make or break the coalition. Meanwhile Trump is waiting in the wings to allow the use of even more destructive weapons at a time when hundreds of thousands of Gazans are returning to their homes. We cannot focus elsewhere when this reality is looking us in the eyes.

The second significant focus of the Israeli left right now is on Israeli civil society and on protecting the rights of Palestinian citizens - which is somewhere we can actually make a difference at this time. My own workplace, which is mixed, has significant initiatives in place, led by both Palestinian and Jewish Israelis, in which I have been participating. Alongside this comes any attempt to curb the influence of the fanatical fascist right and people like Ben Gvir who directly intervened to weaken police dealing with settler violence in the West Bank.

These are where my own personal focus lies right now. It's not that I am callously indifferent to thousands of lives of Gazan children needlessly lost (or to the lives of Palestinian family members of people I personally know which were senselessly lost on both sides of the border), it's just that for now, we are not yet free to stand back and look at the situation, which is what I was trying to express in the post above. Nothing will bring back Hind, the ambulance workers, or the two babies who were killed as their father went to register their birth, and ripping our hearts open to mourn won't change that. But maybe we can make a difference to protect the next Hind, and this is where our work must focus. And we will learn to look at ourselves and our own complicity (which in itself is difficult to think through for those of us who have utterly protested our criminal government since its formation but have been powerless to stop the violence unfolding), but that is not something that happens in a meaningful way immediately, it is part of a very long process of societal and personal reflection.

And a final thing to say, and a painful one: terror is effective, and psychological terror is real. I remember that one of the first thoughts that ran through my head the minute I realised the extent of the Oct 7 atrocities was that the humanistic legacy of Mahmoud Darwish, whose poetry to me pointed a difficult way to better relations and sympathy between Israelis and Palestinians, had been shredded and trampled on. I make space where I can to listen to Palestinian grief, both personally expressed and in initiatives like the joint Palestinian-Israeli Memorial Day ceremony. I identify with and try to amplify the voices of Israelis who seek reconciliation. But there is also a very deep scar that will take time to heal, and to really feel free to empathise with Gazans' pain we will need to move beyond the current stage of trauma, which right now is being reopened seeing inhumane cruelty playing out again and again as the hostages return home.

On a different note: I am happy for your family that your family member has returned home. I know about the use of administrative detention, of course. I haven't heard any Israelis express any dissent whatsoever with freeing Palestinians who have not been charged with a crime, and of course I am happy that those held without trial are being released. The focus in Israeli society is on the 40% of released prisoners - a minority but a very significant one - who had been charged with violent crimes - and this is only the first stages of the ceasefire deal. I would love for this to be paranoia, but at least two of these prisoners were serving life sentences for their part in killing friends of friends of mine, and the statistics of released terrorists returning to commit serious crimes are horrifying. I am in favour of the ceasefire deal. I am in favour of paying the price. I teach my small child every day that there is a ceasefire, that there are ways of solving problems without violence. But as a leftist and supporter of the deal I am obliged not to blind myself to that price, and to listen to the fear of friends for whom this is a very complicated moment - and hoping that this time history won't just repeat itself.

Wishing only for peace and healing and for us to finally move towards, rather than away from, a better, generous and secure future for Palestinians and Israelis.

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Yazzi · 02/02/2025 08:18

israelilefty · 02/02/2025 08:16

@Yazzi Thank you for your thoughtful comments, your willingness to engage and for your openness to come here and read a post from just one perspective coming from "the other side". None of these things go without saying.

I wanted to add some comments about where the Israeli left is at right now. Not in a spirit of self-exoneration, but perhaps to fill out the picture. The short answer about mourning the many thousands of innocent Palestinian lives lost in Gaza is: we are (mostly) not there, yet. There are still far too many fires to fight in the present. We have been demonstrating for an immediate ceasefire for over a year; all of the resources of the here and now are directed right now to supporting the continuation of the ceasefire to stages 2 and 3, so that the war can end and we can avert the very real possibility of it morphing into something even worse. This is what I was out on the street on Friday demonstrating about. The danger is immediate: Smotrich is about to bring down Netanyahu's coalition. His supporters are baying to resume the war and establish settlements in Gaza. These are a small minority of Israelis but their political influence is oversized because they can make or break the coalition. Meanwhile Trump is waiting in the wings to allow the use of even more destructive weapons at a time when hundreds of thousands of Gazans are returning to their homes. We cannot focus elsewhere when this reality is looking us in the eyes.

The second significant focus of the Israeli left right now is on Israeli civil society and on protecting the rights of Palestinian citizens - which is somewhere we can actually make a difference at this time. My own workplace, which is mixed, has significant initiatives in place, led by both Palestinian and Jewish Israelis, in which I have been participating. Alongside this comes any attempt to curb the influence of the fanatical fascist right and people like Ben Gvir who directly intervened to weaken police dealing with settler violence in the West Bank.

These are where my own personal focus lies right now. It's not that I am callously indifferent to thousands of lives of Gazan children needlessly lost (or to the lives of Palestinian family members of people I personally know which were senselessly lost on both sides of the border), it's just that for now, we are not yet free to stand back and look at the situation, which is what I was trying to express in the post above. Nothing will bring back Hind, the ambulance workers, or the two babies who were killed as their father went to register their birth, and ripping our hearts open to mourn won't change that. But maybe we can make a difference to protect the next Hind, and this is where our work must focus. And we will learn to look at ourselves and our own complicity (which in itself is difficult to think through for those of us who have utterly protested our criminal government since its formation but have been powerless to stop the violence unfolding), but that is not something that happens in a meaningful way immediately, it is part of a very long process of societal and personal reflection.

And a final thing to say, and a painful one: terror is effective, and psychological terror is real. I remember that one of the first thoughts that ran through my head the minute I realised the extent of the Oct 7 atrocities was that the humanistic legacy of Mahmoud Darwish, whose poetry to me pointed a difficult way to better relations and sympathy between Israelis and Palestinians, had been shredded and trampled on. I make space where I can to listen to Palestinian grief, both personally expressed and in initiatives like the joint Palestinian-Israeli Memorial Day ceremony. I identify with and try to amplify the voices of Israelis who seek reconciliation. But there is also a very deep scar that will take time to heal, and to really feel free to empathise with Gazans' pain we will need to move beyond the current stage of trauma, which right now is being reopened seeing inhumane cruelty playing out again and again as the hostages return home.

On a different note: I am happy for your family that your family member has returned home. I know about the use of administrative detention, of course. I haven't heard any Israelis express any dissent whatsoever with freeing Palestinians who have not been charged with a crime, and of course I am happy that those held without trial are being released. The focus in Israeli society is on the 40% of released prisoners - a minority but a very significant one - who had been charged with violent crimes - and this is only the first stages of the ceasefire deal. I would love for this to be paranoia, but at least two of these prisoners were serving life sentences for their part in killing friends of friends of mine, and the statistics of released terrorists returning to commit serious crimes are horrifying. I am in favour of the ceasefire deal. I am in favour of paying the price. I teach my small child every day that there is a ceasefire, that there are ways of solving problems without violence. But as a leftist and supporter of the deal I am obliged not to blind myself to that price, and to listen to the fear of friends for whom this is a very complicated moment - and hoping that this time history won't just repeat itself.

Wishing only for peace and healing and for us to finally move towards, rather than away from, a better, generous and secure future for Palestinians and Israelis.

Thank you for your reply @israelilefty. I have read it a few times and it is both thoughtful in itself and gives me food for thought.

Tiredalwaystired · 06/02/2025 08:21

Thank you both for taking the time to listen to each other and reflecting.

We need more people like you

Germanymunch · 06/02/2025 08:34

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Santalazy · 06/02/2025 10:45

Thank you @israelilefty . Thought provoking as always. You reflect all the nuance so well and I often wonder why the debate that happens outside of Israel is so polarised and simplistic. @Germanymunch ’s comment is an example of this. It starts with a highly contested premise: that the Israeli’s are persecuting the Palestinians and that this is comparable to the holocaust.

Germanymunch · 06/02/2025 11:05

Santalazy · 06/02/2025 10:45

Thank you @israelilefty . Thought provoking as always. You reflect all the nuance so well and I often wonder why the debate that happens outside of Israel is so polarised and simplistic. @Germanymunch ’s comment is an example of this. It starts with a highly contested premise: that the Israeli’s are persecuting the Palestinians and that this is comparable to the holocaust.

It is fact; there is video footage, global media has reported on the genocide and many within Israel are now agreeing to ethnic cleansing suggested by Trump, who also has many far right connections. I am not alone in not understanding how anyone can't see similarities. I am curious why any Jewish person would support something so similar and condone such actions from a man with these supporters.

cindyhove · 06/02/2025 18:49

Thisusernamenotavailable · 20/12/2023 16:46

Do You have right wing friends? How do you deal with the messages of “your silence is noted” from both right and left? Or do you say that to people who choose not to speak out in support of IDF/Palestinians (delete as appropriate).

Also, an Israeli friend of mine says she feels safer in Israel than anywhere else - do you feel the same?

I absolutely feel safer living in israel. Society is a much nicer place where people help one another

stomachameleon · 06/02/2025 19:06

@Germanymunch 'many' within Israel. This Also happens regularly. As if 'random off internet' speaks for the people of Israel. To sow seeds of doubt.

Of course you are 'curious'.... that's what happens when you make sweeping statements. It's such a twee thing to say. As if you have given it any 'curiosity'

Santalazy · 06/02/2025 21:19

Germanymunch · 06/02/2025 11:05

It is fact; there is video footage, global media has reported on the genocide and many within Israel are now agreeing to ethnic cleansing suggested by Trump, who also has many far right connections. I am not alone in not understanding how anyone can't see similarities. I am curious why any Jewish person would support something so similar and condone such actions from a man with these supporters.

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There are similarities if one accepts your premise, which as I said is highly contested.

israelilefty · 07/02/2025 13:08

Friends, let's keep this thread for what it was intended. It's an AMA in which I answer questions from my own point of view (and occasionally post additional thoughts). If you would like to generally discuss polarising issues, please use the Conflict in the Middle East forum which is full of people doing just that.

I'm afraid that Germanymunch's question was deleted before I saw it, so it's difficult for me to answer, though I surmise it was something about how Jews can support Trump. It's also a Friday and I have guests for Shabbat so I'm in intensive cooking mode right now. I will try to get back to the thread and answer questions after Shabbat, as I don't have time for a proper response now.

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sashh · 09/02/2025 03:16

@israelilefty I hope you had a peaceful Shabbat with people you love.

That is what should come first, family, and thank you for this thread but you are not obliged to answer anyone / everyone.

israelilefty · 09/02/2025 21:03

@sashh, bonus post for people with enough patience to follow this thread: my Shabbat menu included replicating a salad I had a while back at the Biga chain in Israel, which consists of:

quartered cherry plum tomatoes (can combine different types of tomatoes)
roasted strips of red pepper
thinly sliced raw red onion
kalamata olives (whole without pit)
homemade croutons
a ball of mozzarella, ripped into pieces
very thin slices of raw red chilli (if you like spice)
balsamic-olive oil-brown sugar dressing
salt and pepper

I totally recommend this salad!

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theconfidenceofwho · 09/02/2025 21:08

I watched September 5 tonight @israelilefty - have you seen it & if so, what did you think? How has it been received in Israel, especially in the current climate.