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I'm a Sleep Scientist

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Goodnightythen · 16/09/2023 21:12

I specialised in neurodevelopmental conditions and the importance of sleep in our children's brain development. I worked a lot with children with Autism as well as other frontal lobe related conditions such as ADHD, FASD, ED, ODD, PD, etc.
I don't do much work in sleep labs anymore but AMA!

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BertieBotts · 12/10/2023 13:49

Just to be clear, I don't agree with sleep training, especially not at 3 weeks old, but neurological damage is not caused by a baby being upset. Sometimes they do cry it out, like when you're stuck in traffic on a motorway and can't get them out of the seat, or when you've tried everything and they won't be soothed anyway so you stick them in the buggy/sling and walk around until they fall asleep.

Nobody would seriously consider that as having caused neurological damage, it's temporary distress. So why is it different if you do it on purpose vs unavoidably? I wouldn't like to do that, because I don't like to think about my baby being in avoidable distress. But it's about the distress that I would prefer to avoid if possible/only cause distress for a very good reason (e.g. medical treatment). Not because of some fear that distress in itself causes long term harm.

And babies with reflux, or CMPA etc also cry a lot. I don't think people would say that causes neurological damage?

It's babies who are consistently left for hours with no food, no changing, no cuddles, no social contact at all who end up neurologically damaged from neglect - it's not to do with the crying itself, it's an overall pattern of lack of care and not being able to form attachments and not getting their needs met at all.

I don't like sleep training because it goes against things which are important to me, but I don't think we can really claim that it's causing neurological damage, in the context of an otherwise loving, responsive relationship.

Ididivfama · 12/10/2023 14:51

BertieBotts · 12/10/2023 13:49

Just to be clear, I don't agree with sleep training, especially not at 3 weeks old, but neurological damage is not caused by a baby being upset. Sometimes they do cry it out, like when you're stuck in traffic on a motorway and can't get them out of the seat, or when you've tried everything and they won't be soothed anyway so you stick them in the buggy/sling and walk around until they fall asleep.

Nobody would seriously consider that as having caused neurological damage, it's temporary distress. So why is it different if you do it on purpose vs unavoidably? I wouldn't like to do that, because I don't like to think about my baby being in avoidable distress. But it's about the distress that I would prefer to avoid if possible/only cause distress for a very good reason (e.g. medical treatment). Not because of some fear that distress in itself causes long term harm.

And babies with reflux, or CMPA etc also cry a lot. I don't think people would say that causes neurological damage?

It's babies who are consistently left for hours with no food, no changing, no cuddles, no social contact at all who end up neurologically damaged from neglect - it's not to do with the crying itself, it's an overall pattern of lack of care and not being able to form attachments and not getting their needs met at all.

I don't like sleep training because it goes against things which are important to me, but I don't think we can really claim that it's causing neurological damage, in the context of an otherwise loving, responsive relationship.

Sleep training does involve leaving them to cry for a long time without comfort - at least that’s the one I’m talking about. Not for a bit of time when nothing else works. There is plenty of evidence that shows neurological damage before six months of old - one of my friends has been studying this in America (where they have a really awful sleep training culture). Not trying to be difficult, just most people who work in science seem to be a bit more aware of this.

Onlinetherapist · 19/10/2023 21:17

My son had silent reflux from birth to around 14 months of age. This meant he only slept for between around 5 and 45 minutes night and day until we got him the correct treatment. If sleep is crucial for brain development, how was he able to develop so well? (He is extremely bright and has been identified at school as ‘more able and talented’ which surprises me due to his early issues).

muchalover · 19/10/2023 21:21

For autistic people is 4 hours restful sleep better/worse than 8 hours broken or unrestful sleep?

I work with autistic adults and it is a constant issue.

Any recommended reading?

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