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I learnt to code at 27 - AMA

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OliviaSoprano · 12/12/2020 19:02

Before anybody tells me to get over myself - I do know that there is absolutely nothing special or interesting about this! But women are still so under-represented in tech and I think far too many see it as an area that is "not for them" / a career option that wouldn't even be worth considering. I felt exactly that way three years ago but then I tried it and realised that I bloody love coding and now I'm working full time as a software engineer and really enjoy my job.

Just thought I'd start this in case there is anybody out there who may have questions about what's actually involved or how to go about starting to learn the necessary skills (or anything else obviously, it's AMA!)

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Miniature8 · 30/12/2021 09:59

@oliviasoprano what are the salary expectations for somebody after finishing a tech bootcamp? Also, are you able to give a realistic potential salary trajectory for a person like you who entered the industry without a degree in the relevant field?

I'm considering this route as a career change and find it hard to get info on this. TIA

OliviaSoprano · 09/01/2022 22:14

@Miniature8

what are the salary expectations for somebody after finishing a tech bootcamp? Also, are you able to give a realistic potential salary trajectory for a person like you who entered the industry without a degree in the relevant field?

When I did my bootcamp (Summer 2019) we were told to expect/aim for > £25,000 with £27,000 being the average first salary. In reality most people in my cohort who I spoke to about this expected more (around £30,000 as a minimum) and it was the general consensus that the figures told to us by the careers team were low balled to manage expectations. I had no idea, being in the unusual (even by bootcamp standards) position of never having had a salary at all. The most I had ever earned was £9.65 per hour as a restaurant manager. My bar was therefore very low as I secretly expected that I would be laughed out of the room when it came to actual interviews and the real world of work as my CV was just so flimsy (university drop out, no job longer than 6 months). I didn't really believe people when they told me that this didn't matter in the tech world like in other industries. I went along with it as it was my only hope but deep down doubted it was much more than bootcamp propaganda.

So I was completely and utterly flabbergasted when I got my first job offer from one of the very first jobs I applied to and the number put forward during the "negotiation" was £45,000 + 10% bonus. I had very boldly gone in and said I expected £30 and I thought that was pushing it...

I will say that this wasn't the norm. I got extremely lucky as I am not some kind of coding whiz kid/ genius type but just got hired by a massive American company that pay extremely well. Most of my fellow bootcampers (who did well and took to coding and went on to job hunt seriously) probably averaged something more like the £30 that we were expecting.

It's famously true that junior developers don't stay in jobs long though and that is because this number will get a lot higher very quickly if you work hard but only if you move jobs. My yearly income including bonus is around 60 now and I would expect most to be earning something like that at 4-5 years. Some more and some (the ones who don't care or don't really like the work) never more then ~40.
Eventually, if you carry on progressing, want to work your way up and stick at it you will move from mid level to senior roles and you will be on 70-100 (or much higher if you get a job at Google for eg). This could take anywhere from 5-10 years I would say (though I'm sure there are many exceptions to that). And then there are more senior roles and more specialist roles and roles with silly names like "technical evangelist" and you can move up or to the side and be earning six figures. Or of course, you may end up somewhere earning a lot less but in a company that you really like or on a product that you're really passionate about.

This is of course all very approximate and there is a massive amount of variation depending on a myriad of factors but will hopefully give you some idea.

Sorry - that ended up much longer than I was aiming for!

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Fluffycloudland77 · 20/01/2022 13:00

PM’d you @OliviaSoprano.

BelgianSleuth · 22/05/2022 14:55

@Fere How did the rest of your course go with Makers?

I only found this thread last month which inspired me to start free courses on Codecademy, would be great to hear if anyone else new to IT/career changer has tried the bootcamps. TIA

Threebutterflies · 19/07/2022 19:14

Hi I would love to have a go at coding . I don’t have a laptop so will need to buy one. Does it have to be a particular one or can I just use any old cheap laptop? What programs do I need on there to do the coding ? As you can tell I have absolutely no idea about this ! Worth a try though .

Fluffycloudland77 · 23/07/2022 10:35

educational sites like W3Schools work well on a tablet for initial practice, just to see if you like it or if when you hit a problem do you battle on or give up/do you get a buzz when it works or not?

I did a coding bootcamp but dhs health took a serious turn for the worse on my last session and my life’s very different now but in a bad way.

Other people on my course had a job offer exactly 7 days after finishing. The ones who are pursuing jobs have jobs. Others are off doing yet another course.

Theres not just coding there’s cyber security too or cloud practitioner. YouTube’s a useful resource.

Stayingstrongish · 24/07/2022 05:20

@Fluffycloudland77 really sorry to hear that about your dh. Thanks for helping us on here.

thistlescot · 01/08/2022 20:25

What course would you recommend for a complete beginner on code academy @OliviaSoprano ?@OliviaSoprano

GittishMuseum · 09/08/2022 08:56

Here’s a question, I’m not a lawyer but in another life possibly might have been have studied it a bit but ultimately focused on English literature and language by listening to bad advice and went into PR. So I love word-for-word detail and meaning analysis. I love using strategy and small-p politics at work (if I was the journalist what would I want to know? If I emphasise this aspect what will they ask us about that other (much more tricky) aspect?)
but I am unfortunately very worried by numbers and have been ever since school. I scraped a pass at GCSE maths.
However I love what numbers can tell us and am fascinated by what little I know of science (and maybe tech?) working culture. As in, always being evidence-based, being able to read a scientific paper and tell if it’s good quality or not, critiquing the methodology used to answer the questions, I like the idea of the analysis of it all.

GittishMuseum · 09/08/2022 09:11

I’m old (40s) and feeling in need of a change. I like what the challenge of coding and it’s working culture sounds like and that it sounds relatively meritocratic to get into and wondered if anyone had any advice for me? Does it sound like I would have the ability, being terrible at maths? I won’t be offended if you think I’d be too words-focused to get anywhere in coding! I’m useless at GCHQ puzzles unless they are wordplay ones, although I find them interesting and have a go at them. I’m not a cryptic crossword person, just bog standard crosswords, though I have very little spare time for any kind of puzzling. I don’t think I’m sounding like I’ve got the right sort of brain but because I know so little about coding I just thought I would ask!

ErrolTheDragon · 09/08/2022 09:25

There are all sorts of different aspects to 'coding'. Pretty obviously you're not going to want to get into scientific algorithm design. But you might find a role in something like interface design.
At the really wordy end, not exactly coding, good documentation bods (aka InfoDev, User Assistance etc) are worth their weight in gold imo. Could you take raw documentation written by coders and 'subject matter experts' - often who don't have English as a first language - and turn it into clear comprehensible material? If you're able to discern the quality of a scientific paper even though presumably you don't deeply understand the statistical methods, this might fit you well.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/08/2022 09:29

Our infodev people have to have a good grip on html and css, which some people think of as 'code'.

GittishMuseum · 09/08/2022 10:06

Thank you so much for giving me something to look into. I’m really interested in how people use computers. Obviously accessible language and functionality to understand that is going to be key. And in a democratic world we’d all have computer access and ability and so I’d love to work in some way in assisting that happening.. thank you!

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