"Misandry is the root of all trans fear. Men’s fear of other men. Women’s fear of all men."

I would not know those comments were written by men <shocked face>

I love how so often they nearly come close to getting it then make a dramatic swerve to avoid the existential discomfort of that.
Otherwise I see the usual paranoid conspiracy bleating about how the media is inherently transphobic and it’s all been paid for by various standard bogeymen. It’s rare, but not unknown, for someone inside the house to point out that a lot of the reason the ‘tide is turning against them’ is almost entirely self inflicted (which never goes down well at all). You wanted greater visibility? Well, you got it, and people don’t like a lot of what they’re seeing. Seems like a you problem. A wide ranging extension to the old ‘All my ex wives are bitches’.

So close! 'The gc crowd don't believe people can change sex'. No, no we don't! And as people can't change sex, we want trans identified men to stay out of our spaces, just as we expect other men to do.

It's really not difficult!

Ed for typo

Ah yes because women just fear men for no reason. It's just a hatred and bigotry we possess. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the literal millennia of men raping, beating and selling women. The centuries of women having zero rights, being seen as objects and property, and being routinely stalked and assaulted by men certainly wouldn't cause a sense of caution in women. We should just be happy and trust random men around us when we are vulnerable, sick or in a state of undress, because no male has ever used that against us, right?

You wanted greater visibility? Well, you got it, and people don’t like a lot of what they’re seeing. Seems like a you problem.

Precisely that.

I do love the whingeing and peculiar theories when there's oceans of threads here of women explaining in very small words, repeatedly, for years, what the problem is. If there was any actual capacity to hear women, cope with information that goes against access to non consenting women in a state of undress, or interest in knowing....but hey. That's one of the reasons why women still need laws protecting them. Live action demo.

from Reddit:

It’s two things.
One, they don’t believe transition is real. They fundamentally don’t believe the idea that a person can truly feel or be anything other than their sex assigned at birth. They don’t believe we are our acquired gender inside, and they don’t believe the changes we make to the outside make any difference.

Correct - there has never been a real transition, butchery and hormones does not turn a man into a woman.

Two, they hate and are terrified of men. Don’t be confused by the fact that they ally with and suck up to (cis) men. They do that too. They also hate and fear them.

Really don't think that I hate and am terrified of men - I am a man.

So that ends up with someone who believes all men are inherently dangerous and threatening,

nope - just that statistically a dangerous and threatening person is more likely to be male

and also that all trans women are men.

well yes, duh - by definition, the only attribute required to become a 'trans woman' is that you are a man and as you can't change - you remain a man...

You can see why they feel they need safe spaces away from these evil, predatory people (men) and that they shouldn’t allow trans women into these spaces because they are actually just men who are either insane or trying to trick women into letting them in so they can use that access to abuse women.

starting to get it...

It is fascinating how lies / inaccuracies that are close tot he truth with a little twist can start to sound so very reasonable - it is why the rigid analysis and the rigour of logic and the clarity of argument on here is so important... every word and how it is used / misused is important...

Haha the BBC and its transphobic agenda.

Numpties.

They fundamentally don’t believe the idea that a person can truly feel or be anything other than their sex assigned at birth.

I wonder if it's ever occurred to that writer that they are expecting a woman to predicate her entire reality and perceptions obediently on what that man says is happening inside his head.

And not seeing anything wrong with that.

There is always at least one supine, sycophantic 'cis' woman on those threads frantically waving their virtue signalling flag, showing off what a good little submissive woman they are, desperate to be showered with praise and absolution from the trans identifying men. A real live Do it Julia in all its glory.

Interestingly, these compliant women never seem to get the praise, acknowledgement and medals they so desperately seek, they are largely ignored. One day it will dawn on them that trans identifying men view them with the same contempt and dismissiveness they view women who won't comply with their demands and when they have run out of Julias being a so called ally won't make the slightest bit of difference.

Looks like the cork-popping photos touched a nerve! 🍾

Doesn't it just!

Just imagine the cork popping and crowing from them had the result gone the way they wanted/expected. Suspect they are miffed that they wasted money on bottles to cork pop and had to instead use them to drown their sorrows (or piss in and leave outside the offices of EHRC).

Classic stuff! What a bunch of clueless misogynists. No, boys, the reason that TIMs are overrepresented in convictions for sex crimes isn’t because of “sex work”. Only coercive “sex workers” like abusive pimps are sex offenders in those figures. We’re talking about non consensual sexual offences here. And it used to be ok to point to cross dressing as a paraphilia which often clustered with others as a gateway to criminal behaviour. To say nothing of “rapid onset prison dysphoria” where men in prison “transition” to get a better deal and then detransition on release.

BBC Reality Check FOIed the MoJ in 2018

the findings

It said that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates it counted in England and Wales were serving time for a sexual offence.
This is roughly half - but it's not the full picture.
Remember - those 125 transgender inmates only include people who have had a prison case conference. It won't include transgender people who haven't identified themselves to the prison service or who already have a gender recognition certificate.

• 27 were convicted of rape (plus a further five of attempted rape)
• 13 were convicted of possessing, distributing or making indecent images of children
• 13 were convicted of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault
• Nine were convicted of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
• Seven were convicted of sexual activity with a child
• Seven were convicted of indecent assault or gross indecency

Those numbers add up to more than 60 because some prisoners are serving time for more than one offence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

so not “survival sex work” then 🙄

They’re still raging about them!

Yes, FFS have some self respect! These men don’t give a shit about you.

Remember when they continually told us to get over it? They are unable to take their own advice.

Our dear now PM, along with many other men apparently thought that all the rejoicing was unkind, unseemly and uncalled for 😂

I wish I could type what I wanted to in response to that😆

"Misandry is the root of all trans fear" is spot on right, if you look at it; trans fear is not fear of trans people, it is fear felt by trans people. Many TIMs hate, are afraid of and have a pathological aversion to men, including themselves. They have such a pathological objection to men that they will take dangerous drugs and even mutilate themselves to try to escape from maleness.

and of course they are so afraid of men that they are too terrified to take a slash in the same bogger as men....

Visit to the relationships board and work on codependence issues often badly needed.

Fws celebrating on the court steps would be another.
But counter that with pictures and videos from pride, from the topless protest outside the Scottish parliament.

oh yes, a load of moobs in front of the Scottish parliament- truly an iconic moment.

Well of course not. These women comply. What they want is the rest of us, those who don't believe, to give in. We're the ones they're interested in colonising. Open windows are of no value, as they haven't been broken.

Exactly.

I'm still intrigued as to how they know for sure that all the women who signed that NION thing are "cis"

I’m sure there will be another enlightening thread coming up with soon on Reddit as JKR has recently posted on update on her 2020 essay.

Do you have a non-x link? (I can't read x posts.)