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"Misandry is the root of all trans fear. Men’s fear of other men. Women’s fear of all men."

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/10/2026 14:16

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1xbcui7/the_framing_of_the_antitrans_movement_as/

Get popcorn.

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JollySmall · 23/10/2026 08:33

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:33

Any context where there's no justifiable exemption.

Like what?

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:34

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:33

Any context where there's no justifiable exemption.

But then all men would be able to use that space. Aren’t TIM afraid of sharing spaces with males? How would making spaces mixed sex help them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:34

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:31

Most “trans people” can be clocked from space so there’s zero “privacy concerns” about them being “outed” as the opposite sex.

You have no meaningful evidence to prove that other than anecdotal instances.

Why don’t any of the ones on social media pass then?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:37

@Choppingwoodcarryingwater I’m sure you have some “lovely trans friend” you think we should be forced to share spaces with and that’s why you’re so over invested in getting men into women’s spaces, but you really need to get it through your head that the majority of women don’t want him there, and have more empathy for them. Your position is not the moral one here.

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:37

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:31

Well there is. Either you allow all males in or you are discriminating against those who do not claim a gender identity. You can’t say a service is mixed sex but exclude some members of one sex. What criteria would you be using? Gender identity? Then you would need to prove a definition of gender identity that would be coherent and able to be applied consistently.

There's no discrimination if there's no disadvantage being the argument. And as yet, men claiming discrimination as a result of trans women been given special treatment is yet to be tested in law. We simply have not got this far yet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:38

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:37

There's no discrimination if there's no disadvantage being the argument. And as yet, men claiming discrimination as a result of trans women been given special treatment is yet to be tested in law. We simply have not got this far yet.

There’s no “we” about it. You are forced teaming. You’re not even in the UK, are you?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:40

Again, you are advocating for women’s consent and boundaries not to matter when a man wants to use a women’s space. Let’s be clear. It’s not a moral position.

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:40

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:37

There's no discrimination if there's no disadvantage being the argument. And as yet, men claiming discrimination as a result of trans women been given special treatment is yet to be tested in law. We simply have not got this far yet.

well, it made the GG and the WI change their membership criteria and the NHS and a lot of other institutions and services change their policies. I mean, if they were convinced that they would be right to allow some males into female spaces, they’d have stood their ground and defended their policies wouldn’t they….

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:41

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:33

But then no transperson has any evidence they “pass” apart from anecdotal instances either….

The burden of proof is on the claimant. In other words if a person makes the claim all trans people don't pass then its on them to prove they all don't.

Good luck with that.

napody · 23/10/2026 08:42

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 07:37

Um there is. Its this thing called 'anti discrimination law'. Women can only get exemptions under the conditions mentioned above. Being a women without meeting these conditions isn't enough.

27
(1)
A person does not contravene section 29, so far as relating to sex discrimination, by providing a service only to persons of one sex if—
(a)
any of the conditions in sub-paragraphs (2) to (7) is satisfied, and
(b)
the limited provision is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.
(2)
The condition is that only persons of that sex have need of the service.
(3)
The condition is that—
(a)
the service is also provided jointly for persons of both sexes, and
(b)
the service would be insufficiently effective were it only to be provided jointly.
(4)
The condition is that—
(a)
a joint service for persons of both sexes would be less effective, and
(b)
the extent to which the service is required by persons of each sex makes it not reasonably practicable to provide separate services.
(5)
The condition is that the service is provided at a place which is, or is part of—
(a)
a hospital, or
(b)
another establishment for persons requiring special care, supervision or attention.
(6)
The condition is that—
(a)
the service is provided for, or is likely to be used by, two or more persons at the same time, and
(b)
the circumstances are such that a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex.
(7)
The condition is that—
(a)
there is likely to be physical contact between a person (A) to whom the service is provided and another person (B), and
(b)
B might reasonably object if A were not of the same sex as B.
(8)
This paragraph applies to a person exercising a public function in relation to the provision of a service as it applies to the person providing the service.

Lol, you've gone circular again. You're flip flopping between the criteria for the space, and the criteria for the person.

Everything youve argued relates to whether a space can be single sex or not. There's no provision for women+transwomen spaces in law.

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:43

LeftieRightsHoarder · 23/10/2026 08:33

But, by definition, sex alone is the only qualifier for a single-sex space! It has to be. That’s the whole point.

But it isn't because the qualifying criteria in context needs to be met. If it didn't then why have the qualifying criteria?

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:43

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:41

The burden of proof is on the claimant. In other words if a person makes the claim all trans people don't pass then its on them to prove they all don't.

Good luck with that.

Nah mate. You’re just desperately trying to justify your stance that women’s rights don’t matter snd some men should be allowed to ignore the law cos reasons. You still haven’t explained why someone’s “gender” should allow them to access single sex spaces of the opposite sex and someone else’s “gender” should exclude them….

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:44

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:43

But it isn't because the qualifying criteria in context needs to be met. If it didn't then why have the qualifying criteria?

The qualifying criteria is sex. I can explain it to you but I can’t make you understand as a very rude person Said recently.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:44

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:40

well, it made the GG and the WI change their membership criteria and the NHS and a lot of other institutions and services change their policies. I mean, if they were convinced that they would be right to allow some males into female spaces, they’d have stood their ground and defended their policies wouldn’t they….

Exactly and the WI would have had exactly this test case but they told the TIMs to take their ball and go home. See the several threads by the MNer wife of a man who started a legal challenge against them on exactly these grounds. It wasn’t necessary in the end. They changed their policy, entirely coincidentally, I’m sure.

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:44

JollySmall · 23/10/2026 08:33

Like what?

Like the workplace for example.

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:34

Why don’t any of the ones on social media pass then?

According to you after the fact of revealing they are trans? Please, do better.

napody · 23/10/2026 08:46

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:34

But then all men would be able to use that space. Aren’t TIM afraid of sharing spaces with males? How would making spaces mixed sex help them?

I think it's a case of 'women's spaces were fine when we could invade them, now we can't we want them abolished'.

BackToLurk · 23/10/2026 08:46

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:43

But it isn't because the qualifying criteria in context needs to be met. If it didn't then why have the qualifying criteria?

Sex is the characteristic that identifies whether someone can be excluded from a space. If it’s single sex it meets the definition of being proportionate, or the provider is confident it would meet that definition if tested in court.

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:47

Who is arguing for sex segregated workplaces? No workplace is. SSS.

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ChequerToRed · 23/10/2026 08:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:16

Exactly, so that last one is just some thoughtless, bog standard v1.0 misogynistic man, not a TIM even. He has no fucking idea.

I always have two thoughts about those types of men;

  1. Is this just a twisted ‘Bros before hoes’ 2.0?
  2. What are this guy’s particular peccadillos?

It’s likely going to be one or the other.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:47

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:43

But it isn't because the qualifying criteria in context needs to be met. If it didn't then why have the qualifying criteria?

There are no “qualifying criteria” that matter until someone starts a discrimination claim. Single sex spaces are for the members of that sex, not the members of that sex plus random members of the opposite one.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:48

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:47

Who is arguing for sex segregated workplaces? No workplace is. SSS.

Why are you posting Churchill 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:48

BackToLurk · 23/10/2026 08:46

Sex is the characteristic that identifies whether someone can be excluded from a space. If it’s single sex it meets the definition of being proportionate, or the provider is confident it would meet that definition if tested in court.

Exactly.

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:49

StealthTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 08:40

well, it made the GG and the WI change their membership criteria and the NHS and a lot of other institutions and services change their policies. I mean, if they were convinced that they would be right to allow some males into female spaces, they’d have stood their ground and defended their policies wouldn’t they….

At yet so many organisations are openly ignoring the ruling.

Its a mixed bag & why wouldn't be. The law is yet to be tested & its caused mass confusion because either way discrimination can be alleged either way.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 08:49

Choppingwoodcarryingwater · 23/10/2026 08:45

According to you after the fact of revealing they are trans? Please, do better.

It’s a throwaway comment mate, I’m not writing a scientific paper about it. I’m sure you tell your friends they pass.