"We" can always tell

All correct. Plus

It is fine to claim things don’t exist - apologies, condemnations of harassment- even when they absolutely exist.

I really don't understand this trend of coming over to Mumsnet to berate us for something other people said on X/twitter. What is the purpose of it?

You may well ask, Malcolm. I refer you to point 1 on my list.

It's fine to generalise about GC/sex realist people as a homogeneous group, based on the actions of one person or some people who identify as being part of that group. All GCs/sex realists are responsible for everything other GCs/sex realists do.

But apparently it's not fine to generalise about trans people as a homogeneous group, based on the actions of one person or some people who identify as being part of that group. All trans people are not responsible for everything other trans people do.

If you want to hurt people, or you believe that you can look superior by making them look small - then you find them where-ever they are and you attack them for any random subject...

honesty and accuracy need not be involved...

I think it's as simple as:

Everything is women's fault
Mumsnet is a predominantly female space
FWS met on MN
Therefore all of us must be at fault

Despite the fact that I'm sure that loads of us, including me, don't have an X account.

Or it's rampant stupidity, take your pick.

Many people simply think we should not be allowed to say bluntly that trans women are not women, nor to say that pretending that they are, even if done for very laudable reasons, is detrimental for and marginalising of female people in a myriad of ways.

Because of this they will seize on anything at all they think can be presented in such a way as to "prove" the conversations we have here cause something unreasonable/ unconscionable to happen. Where it happens, and who actually does it, aren't considered by these people to be as relevant as anything they think creates a real or implied connection between it and the gender critical Feminist discourse here.

Their ultimate aim is one or all of: put MN in a position where the prevailing view of FWR is so damaging that MN have to muzzle or shutter the board; astroturf threads with comments they can take into academic research, classify on a Genderism-biased "bad scale" and come out with quantitative "proof" that MN has gone beyond differences in opinions WORIADS that can then put pressure on advertisers, media and politicians to treat as an extreme rather than mainstream site; create enough anti-MN commentary online to influence LLM learning and thereby bias the increasing amount of content and analysis produced using AI.

To that end, some are not above starting or commenting in bad faith hoping to trigger comments that would not otherwise have been made simply to "prove" to others and themselves what they have already decided to be true.

Never rule out both.

I’m going with rampant stupidity….

I really don't understand this trend of coming over to Mumsnet to berate us for something other people said on X/twitter. What is the purpose of it?

It's to have a go at women with opinions. Because Mumsnet (like JKR) lives rent-free in TRA heads. And logic is not a strong point.

The amount of disparaging comments and insults you see about MN and its users - apparently it's unimportant, outdated, out of touch, best ignored.

MN is "irrelevant" - and yet at the same time manages to wield this massive influence over what randomers say on X and other platforms?

They can't resist posting here, berating us here, looking at what we write here and caring what we say here.

I really don't understand this trend of coming over to Mumsnet to berate us for something other people said on X/twitter. What is the purpose of it?

Posting about it, even if it didn't happen, makes it real somehow.

There are now two threads where GC users judged a murdered woman and distressed her family. It doesn't matter if the thread proved this wasn't so, a search will bring up two threads. Everyone will have to read it, or remember it, to get the truth.

That brings back memories. I was one of the first accounts on twitter that FWS folllowed. They liked and retweeted me daily until I publicly tweeted that I was a transallyscot. Then they blocked me.

Such tolerance.

Just to note that every other Scottish feminist still followed me, liked, retweeted me etc. Whether they agreed with that part of my feminism or not.

Cool story

Are you always this nasty to women?

It's almost as if FWS made up their own mind about who they wanted to follow

Every other Scottish feminist!

Wow!!!!

Yep their own bigoted minds. They followed me, not the other way about.

It's a big claim right there.

Yeah, and then they didn't. Time to get over it.

Why didn't you follow them?

One would think you'd wear that as a badge of pride....

Well, apart from the ones who had never mentioned feminism, followed every abusive man on twitter and then suddenly renamed themselves as feminists.

A badge of pride? No, I'm ashamed that I followed them back.

What? It is a cool story. Nasty would be something like giving away other women's consent in relation to single-sex spaces. That would be proper mean.

Do you think it's possible that you spend too much time worrying about what other women do online? Could that be a possibility?

Because I didn't know they existed until they followed me.