Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #68

I wonder how many they ordered and how many are left. Do they have a special stockroom for the unwanted badges? Or a warehouse? What a waste of members money.

It shows that SF didn't find her words, which convey her sex-realist/GC protected beliefs, acceptable to the extent that he had to sanitise them in his recording of their conversation.

why is it "damming" though? I still don't get it. Unhelpful for understanding what was actually said- the context , maybe, but damming? Why? RNC is allowed to respect DU's pronouns, they don't have to be gender critical, and they are allowed to be trans inclusive! None of these things are remotely unlawful, and none of them show discriminatory treatment of SP because of her protected belief.

I think it was said they were giving the badges away free at one stage. Also, on the RCN merch/tat website (on card holding the badge), they have this;

‘When you wear this badge, please share your pledge to support LGBTQ+ inclusion, by posting your image or video on social media using #RCNProud #Allyactions .
rcn.org.uk/proud’

So, that clears up one of the questions NC was asking one of the RCN people. This wasn’t something suggested by someone else. The RCN were actively encouraging people to post on social media with the flag badge. Using RCN hashtags.

They have a contact email so we can make requests...and I hadn't spotted that their pride badge is from 2021 and they've still got stock.
https://shop.rcn.org.uk/

I cannot see how the RCN will get out of the badge challenge 😂

i think we should all be on standby to order one.

The badge is wonderful, although the RCN may prefer the top banner to be blue, to match their colouring? I'm sure they could get them produced quickly.

Sandi related talk! I'll join the thread at last hurray!

I am always agog at those who seek to minimise this and the Darlington nurses case.

Was that supposed to be another claim of ‘contemporaneous’, or nearly, notes of the call with SP. He put in ‘trans female’ as well. This language all seems designed to give a false narrative, and hornswoggle people.

There is a man who lurks in the women’s changing room. He undresses there, and is present when women are undressing. He got the go ahead, from people who were not even impacted, to take his clothes off, and be there when the women took their clothes off. None of the women were consulted, or even warned about this. A woman who had had enough of this, stated it was not right that he was in there. She said that they were putting men in spaces men had no business being in as it badly impacted women, like recently in the news where men were being sent to women’s prisons. She was suspended.

I don't think it was in a letter that a change from 'he' to 'she' was made. It was in SF's report typed into his case management system during the initial phone call with SP.

You may be mixing this up with a letter sent to NHS Fife by GT (I think) on SP's behalf, in which (NC argued) the text changes had the effect of misrepresenting Sandie's requests as relating solely to her own case, rather than to conditions for all staff.

Sorry for initials. Speed typing

You remember correctly it was Stuart F, her first contact union rep.

Like you said the fact that he changed he to she is far more damming than gender neutral terms that he could have used, but that would also be damming.

Yes, it does - at its best one or two days after baking- freezes very well.

I have been trying to find the Mumsnet TT entry about someone changing SP’s letter wording recounting events from ‘He to She’. It’s been bugging me that the impact to the receiver would be different as in ‘He said She said’ to ‘She said She said’ .The original would have been quite clear who said/did what as SP was quite clear that she thought DU was a man. Surely what should have changed was ‘He’ to ‘DU’ if necessary out of respect but DU for clarity or do I recall mention of a typo. Does anyone remember if a misconstrue of events due to this change was possible by the receiver of the letter?

I’ll be watching the RCN website with bated breath 😆

That badge is beautiful and the letter is a masterclass, look forward the the response.

I shall plump for no on that one. 😁 Konni was very cute though (and it's not like she had any choice over her owner!).

Dunno, Vlad (or Vova) just might like bananas. So, just to clarify, FluffyDog is no relation to Konni, the female black lab who was presented to Putin in 2000.

Just to add a very happy birthday to FluffyDog, and may he get as many bananas as he wants in his life. Subject to good health.

Just to add more confusion...it's FluffyDog's birthday tomorrow (and Vladimir Putin's, but there is absolutely no link between them! 🤣).

Absolutely brilliant badge!

I'm all for it. Who would we address our requests to? Do Women Won't Wheesht need a heads up beforehand?

You killed the mother by freezing her? Cruel!

Maybe bananas are a retriever-type snack. I barely get any once the hound has has what he wants. I'm way too soft on the poor boy!

That letter from ‘women won’t wheest’ is pitch perfect. If the RCN does reply, I would be surprised if it was anything other than ‘we’ll consider it’. And, that consideration will last a very, very, very, very ad nauseam long time.

They have truly had the curtains pulled across on their organisation. Naomi Cunningham poked at quite a lot of interesting things with her questioning.

@MarieDeGournay : I think in the CofE, they enter the RC through the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. This is a piece by the married priest who was in Westerham, Kent. He is writing about his attendance at a ceremony, with 3 former CofE bishops in Westminster Cathedral to enter the RC Church, and is waxing lyrical about it all.

They get to bring some aspects of their Anglican background with them, I think liturgical traditions. However, I think they have to accept the dogma and Canon law bits. Somebody more up on this may be along soon.

https://ordinariateportal.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/fr-ivan-aquilina-on-the-anniversary-of-the-ordinariate/

Apologies for causing confusion re @NoWordForFluffy's birthday.
I grumble to myself when people don't read posts properly and now I've done it 🙄
Fluffy- just think of it as someone being early with the birthday card!
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