CPS change the proposed 'sex by deception re gender' legal guidance

Yes. Transplanting a brain coded for a male person into a female person or vice versa means the control centre for the body is likely to not be able to keep the body healthy and maybe not even alive. How will it regulate a body of the opposite sex?

Well dead cos we can't do brain transplants so it's a pointless question

What if, like, we could bring people back from the dead? Eh? Eh?! WHAT THEN???!!!

If any person has a brain transplant with a brain from a different sexed body then they have a brain that came from a different sexed body that had the coding for that sexed body where it was formed.

What is the point of the discussion?

So if, say, due to some kind of exotic terrible injury your brain had needed to be moved into a body that was phenotypically male at birth with male genitalia and able to undergo endogenous male puberty, you would have grown up to be...what?

I'll decide when it happens 🤷‍♀️

I'm afraid it's my fault, because of the brain in a jar thing. But I'm willing to answer @ButterflyHatched 's question. In that situation, I would live as a man, because I would have the body of a man. And human beings can't change sex. My feminine brain (?) would have to lump it.

Brain transplants now is it? In addition to double mastectomies, hysterectomies, castration and the rest of the Mengele inspired surgeries we're adding brain transplants.

No end to it is there? 😂

So the answer is?

Your hypothetical attempted gotchas are getting more and more ridiculous

It is an irrelevant exercise, no brains are transplanted.

So if, say, due to some kind of exotic terrible injury your brain had needed to be moved into a body that was phenotypically male at birth with male genitalia and able to undergo endogenous male puberty, you would have grown up to be...what?

Yes a certain person is not and never will be a woman because it's a biological impossibility. All anyone born male can ever be is a facsimile. They can never live the reality of womanhood. They can never understand the fears that being a woman entails, the struggles, the issues.

No male person can experience life as a ‘woman’. There is no way for them to do this, regardless of any changes they make to their bodies.

And their brain is always that of a male person. It retains a shape and size that is not female. And any pathways laid are going to be the same for any male with specific interests and taking a specific drug treatment.

It doesn’t matter how much a person wishes their male brain becomes ‘female’ or adapts to be somehow a ‘woman’s’ brain , it simply will never be.

That's certainly how I understand it, but I wouldn't stop being a woman if my neurological tissue was isolated from the rest of my body and migrated to a synaptic scaffold inside a life support system - and I don't think any other woman would either.

I can falsify your statement: I feel quite strongly that if my brain were put into a man's body, then I would be a man. I wouldn't be wild about it, and my personality would be quite quirky, having been shaped by X chromosomes, œstrogen, and a lifetime's socialisation, but I would rather live as a man than compromise my health.

I was curious about how others felt, so started a 'brain in a jar' thread on AIBU, and it turns out that 70% disagree with me, so your instinct was correct.

What a wonderful world we might be living in had anyone bothered putting the energy into ending male violence- whoever it’s directed at and however they present or identify- rather than causing as much aggro as possible for any women who disagree trans women are women.

What a fucking waste of time.

My pattern of information self classifies as bullshit

So, no examples of a trans panic defence at all. How very surprising, you normally pepper these threads with links to evidence.

very understated

I would like to know what those patterns are and how they compare to women.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5232938-i-am-a-brain-in-a-jar-ama?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

ButterflyHatched The pattern of information that makes up the person I grew into is one that self-classifies as 'woman'.

whereas the rest of us just have to make do with objective observable biological reality.

So, no examples of a trans panic defence at all. How very surprising, you normally pepper these threads with links to evidence.

I mean, this reply is just mumbo-jumbo.

But thanks for trying anyway @popeydokey

How ironic Butters! I think we can say the same about you.

Well at least you've made your lack of awareness of our daily lived reality clear.

I've yet to see any real transphobia anywhere in the UK. What I have seen is a nasty bunch of TRA/MRA types throwing around the accusation of transphobia whenever anyone (particularly women) refuse to bow down to the insane demands of the "trans movement" over language, sports, spaces and our bodies. Now we have you claiming that it's transphobic to hold trans people to the same legal standards as everyone else when it comes to obtaining sexual consent oh and that only a transphobic, homophobic bigot for not wanting to have sex with someone who isn't the sex that they represent themselves as.
Also transphobia can't be homophobic or misogynistic as the whole notion of gender ideology is the epitome of homophobia and misogyny on steriods