Carmarthenshire Winter Pride cancelled today because lesbians who know about biology would be allowed

Yes, and I think this actually counts for a lot of "wokism" in Canada as a whole. They have long defined themselves against either the UK, or since the 1960s, increasingly the US.

Speaking French in Quebec has not been a problem for a long time, you will struggle these days with speaking English, at least outside of Montreal.

I'd also point out that Quebec is politically one of the most powerful provinces - not only are they so populous they have a huge influence on the make-up of the HoC, they have provided numerous recent PMs - Both Trudeaus, Chretien, Martin, and Mulroney. The first Quebecois PM was in 1896. For several years the Bloc, a party with no MPs outside of Quebec, was the official opposition. It's not an economic backwater either.

Leaning too much into the oppressed bit isn't all that credible.

Laws around use of non-French language have become more and more draconian in recent years too - and while most of the people I have talked to in Quebec aren't very keen on them, that is what the government has been pushing, so clearly someone is.

This is all part and parcel of the kind of nationalism that seems to be forbidden of nation states, but perfectly acceptable once people define themselves as an oppressed group, whatever their actual political or economic power.

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Secularism, by definition, means the state is neutral about the religious and ideological observances and beliefs of individuals. That's quite different that what is going on in Quebec now which is the imposition of a very specific set of beliefs and values on individuals.That's not secular, it's a version of atheistic modernism which is absolutely an ideological belief set.

If you think racism in Quebec started with mass immigration, I have an overpass to sell you. The First Nations might have something to say about it too.

Indeed, @UtopiaPlanitia . I remember the lovely Nicola banging on about Scotland being the most advanced country in the world, basking in it.

It’s a version of Small Country Syndrome: countries with relatively small populations (often former colonies) set out to distinguish and disassociate themselves from neighbouring larger powerful countries (or former colonial masters) by trying to do the opposite of what is done in the other country. It’s also part of the smaller nation’s concerted effort to internationally brand their nation as nice or morally superior. Small countries can’t compete in terms of resources and financial power but they can compete in terms of soft power.

Sorry to derail, but as Couci says, there is a lot of extreme wokery in Canada, and I am wary of accusations of unusually high levels of racism and religious bigotry in Québec - there is a long history of anti-Québecois sentiment amongst 'Anglo' Canadians, who are no strangers to racism themselves.

Opinion polls about racist attitudes suggest that Québec is no worse, and in some cases better than, the rest of Canada. Nothing to celebrate - there should be 0% racist attitudes right across the population, but not a reason to point the finger at Québec either.
Et si, en fait, les Québécois étaient moins racistes que les autres Canadiens ?

The French-speaking population of Québec have suffered centuries of oppression and marginalisation by the WASP majority, as if their identity - in particular their French language and traditions and Catholic religion - was some kind of wilful display of anti-Anglo bloody-mindedness which had to be stamped out.

That attitude is still common amongst Anglo Canadians, who often complain about Francophone Quebécois using their own language in Francophone Québec and even refer to it as discrimination against Anglophones!

So I'd take characterisation of the Québecois as particularly racist or bigoted (and indeed transphobic, these days) with a pinch of salt.

On the main topic of the thread: LGB✂T, ASAP!

Sadly, we're used to "Quebec bashing" from Canadians. IIRC, Québecois whose mother tongue is French represent about 2% of the North American population, so easy pickings.

Quebec is handed more than its fair share of immigrants because they land at Dorval International Airport or they walk from the US through Roxham (Trudeau's Liberals refused to control the border). The other provinces in Canada have categorically refused to accept these illegal immigrants and refugees (Canadian racism?). So Quebec bears the brunt (and the expense) of trying to integrate them. Thanks, Canada!

As for the "religious bigotry", Québec is resolutely secularist, having been controlled by the Catholic Church for so long. Government employees (particularly judges, police officers and the like) are not allowed to wear ostentatious religious symbols (yes, that includes hijabs). There's a "grandfather clause" excluding people who were already government employees. You can wear what you like in public, at home, at your place of worship and at work.

Heh, I guess you don't know about Québec either...

Is every month now claimed by the rainbow flag waving brigade?

I think there are really troubling problems with the grifter culture that has developed in Wales because of Mark Drakeford's adherence to GI and dogged support of Stonewall. It's been most obvious in Cardiff with people like Lu Thomas and John Luxton, but I see they've both recognised which way the wind is blowing and moved on to other things so that when the shit hits the fan they're distanced from the worst of the fallout. Elsewhere there are loads of very dubious trans-entrepreneurs who've jumped aboard the voluntary sector gravy train. People follow the money and set up groups and organisations to exploit funding opportunities.

The more out of the way, the more small-town, the better because it's much more difficult for people to whistleblow if they're calling out neighbours and friends of friends. Kidwelly, which is where IIRC this Winter Pride was planned, has been a location for a long-term, prolific sex offender in the recent past.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12703785

The south Wales police is highly politicised: it was a south Wales policeman who ripped down a banner saying 'Stop Transing Kids' because 'it might offend someone.' It's a safeguarding nightmare. The trans-friendly training has (I'd say deliberately) blinded police and other authorities to the transgressive nature of kink. And as we've seen from innumerable cases, male police are at least as porn-addled as any other sector of male society.

I'm told by people who've talked about this subject with the new First Minister that there is cause to feel positive. But Drakeford is still influential and Eluned Morgan can't stop people like him and Nia Griffiths from continuing to push the TWAW lies. Fortunately the Senedd election in 2026, the Trump situation and the threat of a Senedd dominated by Reform has certainly made Welsh Labour think a bit differently.

Just a reminder that the most extreme wokesters in Canada are Justin Trudeau and his Liberal Party of Canada, currently in power. I'm not sure they could even be considered Canadian nationalists, Trudeau having made lots of proude references to Canada being a post-national entity…

As for the Parti Québécois (generally categorized as centre-left), the Journal de Montréal published an open letter from its leader, Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, a couple of months ago:

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2023/09/14/vivre-et-laisser-vivre-reflexions-du-parti-quebecois-sur-lidentite-de-genre-et-la-diversite-sexuelle

In case you don’t feel like running this through Google Translate, PSPP calls for a debate involving all of society and in the Assemblée Nationale (Quebec’s parliament), mentions that certain theories have been imposed by intimidation and defamation, and asks questions about the effects of gender theory on children.

@JetskiSkyJumper

Please tell us your interpretation of the "Forstater Judgement".

JetskiSkyJumper · Today 13:12

Nope!

Look up Maya Forstater Employment Tribunal Appeal. The judge stated that having sex realist views, as well as voicing them, is Worthy of Respect in a Democratic Society.

WORIADS.

I don't know about the others, but the Quebecois have a reputation for racism (might have improved a bit in recent years) and religious bigotry (worse than ever.)

Our former First Minister was a TWAW devotee and appointed a cabinet of like-minded mantra-chanters. A lot of damage was done to women's rights during his tenure, and there is no doubt that children have been put at risk as the ideology first took over the Senedd (gender-neutral loos, name lanyards that can be changed daily for the gender-fluid, LGBTQA+ Action Plans, and progress flags a-flutter) then moved in to schools, women's organisations, councils, the charity sector and NHS Wales.

There are some signs that suggest the new First Minister Eluned Morgan is not on this bandwagon. We live in hope.

Yes i think they are all captured. I am an ex-SNP supporter, for that reason. The only Nationalist group that aren’t are English nationalists. And they are ‘nasty right wing xenophobes’, apparently.

They sound like a lovely lot.

I hope the FSU sues.

What is it about these nationalist parties? Plaid, the SNP, Sinn Fein even. Is it the same everywhere? Basque separatists? Quebecois?

So rather than accept a certain person they throw the biggest tantrum ever and take their whole event away? Wow. How intolerant of them.

I admit Wales has a problem, please keep shinning the light on us, there's no talking to the troughers down the Bay, they're all handmaidens. Well done lesbians for getting the so called 'pride' event shut down.

Now all we have to do is figure out how to get the taxpayers money back, seeing as they didn't spend it on what they said they were going to.

Hello there, Jetski. You’re clearly new to this board. Have an explore.

And the poisonous unthink of trans activism is exposed further. What an oppressive, misogynistic movement it is.

Nope!