Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

Totally agree. Forcing ppl to lie about someone’s sex is absolutely not neutral. It’s no surprise so many ppl think KH is a woman and CS for that matter when every article says she and her

Blimey, god help women if Semenya were to be elected as head of the ICO (or any sporting governing body or committee).

TRA dismissing this and caring not a shit about female sports and also their dismissal
of the Cass review, confirms for me that they are simply insane.

So, so depressing

Apparently, this is the driver for Semenya wanting to stand for the presidency of World Athletics, because the strategy and decision-making are ruled by men. (Semenya may be striving for relevance and froth, of course.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5139127-caster-semenya-considering-running-for-president-of-world-athletics

It's even happening here. I've had comments removed by MNHQ for referring to Imane and Lin as "he".

Apparently even if that means letting women get beaten up and losing podium places and losing the opportunity to change their female lives.

I would say especially if it means letting women get beaten up and be driven out of elite sport. I would say that's an added incentive for the men inflicting their injuries and the organisation allowing it to happen.

One thing this has exposed is that the gaslighting of using wrong sex pronouns is not a neutral act.

Not when it's excluding women from medals and fair competition. The use of wrong sex pronouns is what, I am sure, has convinced a lot of people who still think that the BBC, for example, is a credible news source.

But it's misinformation.

https://archive.ph/cobiW

The Telegraph article

I think Lin has escaped a lot of attention because he's from a country with excellent health care and is reported as being the most LGBTQ friendly country in Asia. It much harder to spin the line that no one noticed there was an issue at puberty or that Lin would be in danger if outed as "intersex"

Has this been posted?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/11/ioc-boxing-gender-olympic-games-imane-khelif/

I think Lin has escaped a lot of attention just by being scheduled a day later. The first male to beat up a woman got more attention. The first to get to the final. The first to win the gold medal.

(Always assuming it is first and hasn't happened at previous games when people weren't paying as much attention.)

Mark Cavendish the cyclist summed it up that if you cross the line first, your life changes

I heard one of the commentators say this very recently. Actually I think it was yesterday when Denise Lewis was being fêted at the end of the evening and they revealed it was her last year as a pundit as she’s leaving to take up a new job as President of UK Athletics. They played some archive footage and the presenter said something like ‘you're made for life now, you know'.

I'd very much like to know what the commentators, who are distinguished ex-athletes, really think about all….this.

I write that with a little bit of sympathy, yes obviously IK should not be boxing women, yes obviously 'she' should know he's male - but I suspect IK may be spat out by the machine that has taken him up and cynically manufactured a women's Olympic medallist out of him.

There is an astonishing lack of career guidance and support for Olympians in some disciplines. Post-2012, I remember a slew of articles about the transition into developing a career when so many of them hadn't gone into HE and acquired qualifications etc.

There's even an acknowledged mental health impact effect.

Bradshaw, H., Howells, K., & Lucassen, M. (2021). Abandoned to manage the post-Olympic blues: Olympians reflect on their experiences and the need for a change. Qualitative Research in Sport, Exercise and Health, 14(5), 706–723. https://doi.org/10.1080/2159676X.2021.1993974

It is said that everyone must play sports. Everyone, except these people?

This statement, and whole interview, makes it clear they he, all of the team, knew exactly what was going on for Khelif. Exactly. That Khelif has a DSD of the male type. What other interpretation of his comments is possible?

But as someone else mentioned upthread and what’s apparent watching the whole of the Olympics is just how much of a business this is with dozens if not tens of dozens of people’s jobs on the line supporting the single athlete. Mark Cavendish the cyclist summed it up that if you cross the line first, your life changes. We get that everyone involved is incentivised to get their athlete to cross the line first. By any means possible.

Apparently even if that means letting women get beaten up and losing podium places and losing the opportunity to change their female lives.

Edited to add that @Snowypeaks said the same thing but much more succinctly 😉

£££.

Khelief is male, unfortunately the wrong sex noted at birth. Why keep fighting this? Why keep insisting he is female. Go box with the males. See how you get on.

It's caster semenya case yet again. Yawn. No progress made. Shame on the Olympics committee.

If only there was another category they could compete in if they aren't eligible for the female category. 🤷‍♀️

I've raised in previous posts what the future might hold for Khelif, now that the quasi-industrial process to get them a gold medal has succeeded. Professional boxing would be the most obvious route for return-on-investment, but at least one of the world boxing organisations, the WBA, will insist on swab testing for XX chromosomes:

Strength training programs for the female can increase strength considerably but it is not likely that the female would reach the same level of strength as that of the male. For this reason, male boxers should not compete with female boxers even if they are in the same weight category.
...
Testing for femininity is done by taking a smear from the mouth of the female competitor and looking for the XX chromosomes in the cells and this has been an ongoing process at the Olympic Games.

so good luck with the professional career, Imane!

I write that with a little bit of sympathy, yes obviously IK should not be boxing women, yes obviously 'she' should know he's male - but I suspect IK may be spat out by the machine that has taken him up and cynically manufactured a women's Olympic medallist out of him.

I'm not sure that the glossy-magazine lifestyle that Semenya enjoys is on the cards for Khelif. The future doesn't look great, whatever happens.

As Dr Emma Hilton said - what you'd need is a Time Machine!

They sent her a letter in English when she can’t read that language

A pity nobody in Algeria speaks English. Like nobody. At all. Or that Khelif could have, I dunno, got the American-Cuban team to translate.

Just noticed another gem in that ridiculous interview. It is said that everyone must play sports. Everyone, except these people?

Godsake. It really is Tired of Explaining Reality to F*wits at this point.

It's really not. And it's utterly pointless, since puberty can't be reversed by suppressing blood testosterone levels years afterwards.

Usually in a pantomime the audience gets to join in.
"She's a woman."
"Oh no he's not."

Or in the case of 'rabbit punch Lin', "He's behind you."

I'll do a bit of gardening for jkr, she doesn't need it but it's a token gesture, she can add it to the funds of Biera's place.