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Natalie Bird vs Lib Dems case in court August 2024

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fromorbit · 14/07/2024 14:25

Getting a thread ready for this case. Could have a big impact and implications for other parties and the UK in general. It seems the Lib Dems know they are going to lose see their latest gambit below to minimise blowback by admitting they were at fault.

Natalie's summary of the case. Gardening is still needed, but lots of sprouts growing now .

My crimes were wearing a Tshirt to an internal party meeting, to question why women's rights weren't central to the LibDems agenda and why trans rights were put over and above the rights and needs of all other groups.

Unfortunately following the wins by Lynne Featherstone around same sex marriage, the LibDems have allowed the LGBT faction to bully, harass and discriminate and target other members, the wider party are emboldening them instrad of holding them to account and the Libdems are currently suffering from overconfidence believing that they will gain so many seats in the election they eill not have to deal with these issues publicly or personally.

I've been in ongoing discussions with the party for many months and one of my asks have been for adequate training around the Equality act to be rolled out at all levels within the party and for all Libdem run councils, the Libdems are currently unable or unwilling to put this reasonable requests in place even thought it would benefit the women in the consistency, and would be helpful to the wider party and have no personal benefit for me personally.

I also believe a wide ranging review needs to be undertaken around the discrimination against GC people within the party and the culture that has enabled and created it, again the party are unwilling to hold a mirror up to the behaviour that has been comdoned by the highest levels of the party.

I have had ongoing targeting since 2016, with a disciplinary panel in 2018 banning me from any party role for 10 years a punishment double that of electoral fraud and akin to me actually undertaking a criminal activity, on top of this I was further targeted by the Stonewall transactivists within the party in 2021, who again used the complaints system to target and harass me and to put a suspension without a end date in place, this behaviour was condoned by the outgoing party president and peer Sal Brinton.

It is unacceptable for a working class mother to be targeted and treated in this manner and its important that Justice is served.

I hate to ask for money particularly when so many of us are struggling but the reality is that I need to raise over £30k to pay counsel to get the justice needed, discrimination against GC individuals must not be allowed to continue in the party and change is urgently needed. This won't happen unless the party are held to account in a public trial.

My case will be heard at the Royal Courts of Justice from the 19th till 26th August.

According Natalie's latest update the Lib Dems have all, but admitted their guilt in an attempt to avoid revealing the sexist bullying in the party:

We are rapidly heading towards my trial and I have a pre-trial review at the Royal Courts on the 22nd. [July?]

In an interesting development, the libdems have put in an application for the Court to award judgment against themselves stating that they have breached my contract and admitting to breaching the Equality act.

They haven't provided any details with regard to how they have breached the Equality act, for how long not how they intend to rectify it so this seems to me to be an exercise in trying to minimise my wider claims around discrimination, victimisation and harassment by party officials and activists.

This seems to me to be an exercise in entirely avoiding active scrutiny and accountability around the culture in the party that allowed discrimination against GC individuals to happen within the party, and that is still continuing within the party to date.

With your help we can ensure that justice is done and the public is made aware of what is going on within the libdems.

A win will also impact the new Amelia Sparrow case. Those pesky wims keep calling out sexism in the Lib Dems:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5109461-parliamentary-staffer-taking-lib-dems-to-tribunal

Original thread from 2018:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3399104-Times-Lib-Dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-Natalie-Bird-Article-refers-to-Zoe-OConnell-Sarah-Brown

Parliamentary staffer taking Lib Dems to Tribunal | Mumsnet

'My employment tribunal claim argues that I was discriminated against and harassed by my employer, the Liberal Democrat MP, as well as the Liberal Dem...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5109461-parliamentary-staffer-taking-lib-dems-to-tribunal

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334bu · 15/08/2024 08:53

Thanks for update.

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 07:37

It is great to see organisations who felt they were so righteous in their treatment of those they saw as not worthy of any consideration at all having to admit that they were the very opposite of ‘tolerant’ and ‘inclusive’. And that all too quickly they had to admit they were not on the right side of history at all.

I hope this case gets lots of publicity.

fromorbit · 15/08/2024 07:08

Developments. Hopegully Natalie's win will get more publicity after she gets a payout at damages hearing this month.

https://x.com/Natfreespeech/status/1823666899143541014

I have finally received the court order where the LibDems
admit all parts of my claim including discrimination and victimisation on the basis of my sex realist beliefs and breaching the Equality Act.

Fantastic news. Presumably this will be public soon?

After the damages hearing.

Very good news for the various Greens suing their party and anyone else. Sex is real!

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https://x.com/Nat_freespeech/status/1823666899143541014

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lcakethereforeIam · 28/07/2024 14:11

I hope so. I don't want them to memory hole then business as usual.

fromorbit · 28/07/2024 13:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2024 20:15

I wonder if they've decided to take the hit and move past it because of their elections results.

That's what I assumed.

Risky strategy given the Amelia Sparrow they are facing too. I don't they are thinking at all really just covering for men.

There are still gender crit members in the Lib Dems ready to build on the case.

Liberal Voice for Women
We are concerned that the party's response to the case, which not only contains inaccuracies but fails to name the complainant, apologise to her, or mention any of the facts about the case, raises questions about its ability to learn from it.

I think when they pay out occurs in August we shall see more on this.

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https://x.com/LibVoice4Women

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2024 20:15

I wonder if they've decided to take the hit and move past it because of their elections results.

That's what I assumed.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/07/2024 19:53

An article about this in the Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/27/lib-dems-admit-discriminating-against-gender-critical-candi/

https://archive.ph/JxUqL paywall jump

I wonder if they've decided to take the hit and move past it because of their elections results. Their statement is appalling, no apology, don't name Natalie and blame outdated procedures.

Is Natalie finished in the party? If she is they might consider that a price worth paying.

IwantToRetire · 24/07/2024 16:59

This is the full update from Natalie Bird via the crowd funder

update Post 22nd July

When we finally sat before the judge for my pre trial review on the 22nd the first thing she questioned was whether the fact that the Libdems have made a judgement against itself was correct. The barrister from their side explained that it was their hadn't been enough time for the party to withdraw from the case so they had to put in a judgement against themselves for breaching my contract and breaching the Equality Act.

My legal team advise me this is very unusual and very rarely happens.

The thing is this should never have been dragged out so long by the party, once Maya’s judgement came out the party should have sought to resolve the case and conduct a through internal review as to how exactly my case had happened and how to prevent it happening to others.

Although the party has admitted every part of my claim in full, it is still not holding itself or the activists that caused this accountable.

The party internal structures which have been completely overtaken by the trans activists are not working as they should.

My case however is not yet finished.

I would like to credit Kelly Jay Keen for her marketing genius because this case would never have happened if I hadn't had worn her t-shirt to an internal meeting.

There is still a damages and costs hearing to be undertaken scheduled for the 20th and 21st August.

There is still an immense amount of work to do in leading the party to sanity and good, strong governance within its internal structures. There are many unresolved questions and things that need to set right internally.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:23

Update: Natalie was in court today. The Lib Dems aren't defending as they admit to having breached the Equality Act in their treatment of her. Adjourned to 20 August for costs and damages hearing.

https://x.com/nat_freespeech/status/1815403706256351464?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

The @LibDems have unusually put in a judgement against themselves and admitted every aspect of my claims against the party.
Costs and damages are still to be resolved.

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/natalie-bird-v-liberal-democrat-party?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 14/07/2024 17:30

TY for bringing Yet Another Landscape Improvement project to our general attention.