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Another infuriating "sports ban" article from the BBC

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 08:22

Darts player Samantha Lewis "has been questioning her future within the game".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c10l58zd059o

Nobody should be subject to abuse or discrimination. But equally, nobody has actually been "banned" or "excluded".

Thank you to England darts for clearly stating that "including 'non-birth-gender females' in women's competitions could 'ultimately result in the demise of our women’s sport'."

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CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 04/07/2024 20:08

Whether intentional or not, their "derisive issue" line is going to live rent-free in my head to chortle at whenever I want a laugh.

People asking about advantages, have you ever played darts? Height and strength esp. wrist are useful. Please read the pool/Lynn pinches threads for the social advantages men have.

TrainedByCats · 04/07/2024 19:52

I just realised I didn’t get an email acknowledgment of my BBC complaint and haven’t had a response. Whilst they never give a decent response this is a new low.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 03/07/2024 15:01

ageratum1 · 03/07/2024 10:30

What advantages does a male have over a female in darts?

Easy access to the dartboard down the local pub! 😬

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 15:01

Just adding this here to remind people of the no-bullshit approach taken by some female darts players. She's also faced a load of abuse and harassment for her decision. But is not afraid to tell it like it is!

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/othersport/1896580/Deta-Hedman-transgender-darts

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Helleofabore · 03/07/2024 14:46

"Just keep your opinions to yourself. I’m still human at the end of the day. Think before you speak," she said.

Oh dear.... so female people are not supposed to defend their sports category, the male people "I don't want to quit. I want to carry on." because "Mentally, my mum has been really worried about me because I've gone down that slippery slope again. I wanted to end it all. I know it’s just a game, but it's something that I love doing,".

Really, Operation: Let them speak does highlight the male entitlement. This one seems to have also used the extreme emotionally manipulative tactic of using suicide as leverage to get their demands met.

No empathy what so ever for the female players who might also 'don't want to quit' and who 'love doing' darts but lose their places on teams because male people have been included though. Plus ca change...

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 14:12

The BBC has provided a big close-up photo of some of the awards Ms Lewis has picked up. Or, if you prefer, the awards that women were denied. 🎯

As Jim Bowen would say: "Let's have a look at what you could've won! Never mind, ladies..."

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UpThePankhurst · 03/07/2024 14:06

RantyMcRanterton · 03/07/2024 13:17

'' Her message to people who have contributed to her current struggles is a plea for empathy and respect.
"Just keep your opinions to yourself. I’m still human at the end of the day. Think before you speak," she said.
"I don't want to quit. I want to carry on." ''

Obvs the empathy and respect only runs one way, what a surprise. Not.

🙄

"I don't want to quit harming women, I want to carry on, and I dont want you to say things that get in the way of me getting what I want"

No, I am not 'empathising' with that, and I absolutely do not respect it either. Fgs.

EdithStourton · 03/07/2024 13:43

WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 12:54

True and that would make him ever so sad.

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Bless.

RantyMcRanterton · 03/07/2024 13:17

'' Her message to people who have contributed to her current struggles is a plea for empathy and respect.
"Just keep your opinions to yourself. I’m still human at the end of the day. Think before you speak," she said.
"I don't want to quit. I want to carry on." ''

Obvs the empathy and respect only runs one way, what a surprise. Not.

Toseland · 03/07/2024 12:55

ageratum1 · 03/07/2024 10:30

What advantages does a male have over a female in darts?

A male has the advantage of not having menstruation, childbirth or menopause to deal with for starters.

WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 12:54

Devonbabs · 03/07/2024 12:31

He wouldn’t win and he wouldn’t get to intimidate women

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True and that would make him ever so sad.

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 12:35

SamW98 · 03/07/2024 12:29

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1910731/bbc-misogyny-row-sharron-davies-martina-navratilova?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Well it’s not going to get any better with the completely unbiased 🙄 new head of sport

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This seriously worries me.

There was a FWR thread about it here if people want to read more:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5094345-incoming-director-of-bbc-sport-has-already-blocked-nartins-navratilova?reply=135936894

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duc748 · 03/07/2024 12:33

It was just a light-hearted reference to KS's regular use of "divisive", "toxic", etc, @Peskysquirrel .

SamW98 · 03/07/2024 12:33

WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 08:25

What's stopping him competing against other men?

Because nothing other than total validation as a ‘real woman’ matters

Oh and plus he wouldn’t win anything against men

Devonbabs · 03/07/2024 12:31

WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 08:25

What's stopping him competing against other men?

He wouldn’t win and he wouldn’t get to intimidate women

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 12:30

duc748 · 03/07/2024 12:27

They could have avoided typos by simply cutting and pasting from any Keir Starmer interview!

I find their statement far more clearly expressed (despite typos and 'non birth gender females' word salad) than Starmer!

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 12:28

Terrribletwos · 03/07/2024 12:25

Did he mean "divisive"?🤔

Yes.

But the typo should stand. Because our rights are being treated with derision.

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duc748 · 03/07/2024 12:27

They could have avoided typos by simply cutting and pasting from any Keir Starmer interview!

Terrribletwos · 03/07/2024 12:25

Did he mean "divisive"?🤔

duc748 · 03/07/2024 12:24

I don't think it's paranoid to suggest that there is an agenda in the higher echelons of the BBC to see 'positive' transgender stories dropped in on a regular basis.

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Peskysquirrel · 03/07/2024 12:15

Re: England Darts' statement. Is that a typo or intentional?

We are mindful that it this has become very derisive issue, and one we would never have thought would be an issue some 50 years ago

Yes I agree, it is fucking derisive! Because women are being mocked, ridiculed and held in contempt when it comes to the issue of men in women's sports!

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/07/2024 12:00

lcakethereforeIam · 03/07/2024 10:21

Well done England Darts but, ffs, they're not any sort of female.

How refreshing to see a statement about women's sport that actually focuses on the importance of women's sport for women.

MarieDeGournay · 03/07/2024 11:01

ageratum1 · 03/07/2024 10:30

What advantages does a male have over a female in darts?

The difference between featherweight and bantamweight boxers doesn't look very significant, a couple of kilos here or there, but boxing has established that the differences between weight classes is significant, and participants just have to respect that.

No amount of foot-stamping or claims of exclusion or sympathetic articles from the BBC will allow a heavier-weight boxer fight a lower-weight one, you either make the weight or you don't, and you respect the established rules of the sport.

Ditto darts pool, snooker, whatever..

lcakethereforeIam · 03/07/2024 10:58

All of which, imo, is irrelevant. Men don't compete in women's competitions because they are women's competitions and they are not women.

There's a picture in the article of some of the trophies this person has won. I counted five. So that's five women who lost out directly and who know how many who got shoved down a space.

I'm feeling the urge to type something conciliatory about mental health, abuse is wrong, etc. Ffs it goes without saying! But guilt trips are abusive too and that's what the BBC are doing.