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My local LibDem replied to my letter about Women's Rights. How do I reply without swearing?

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Slave2thekitty · 30/06/2024 15:26

Weeks ago I emailed all candidates in my election ward (I'm in Michael Fabricants consituency - lucky me!) with a personalised version of the Sex Matters letter asking about protecting womens rights.
Yesterday I received this pile of word salad twaddle from Paul Ray, the standing LibDem.

"Thank you for contacting me.

Liberal Democrats believe we must ensure the safety, dignity and wellbeing of all people. We are committed to upholding women’s rights and trans rights, and do not believe that the two are in conflict.
That is demonstrated by the Equality Act, which makes it unlawful to discriminate against someone on the basis of any of a list of protected characteristics, including both sex and gender reassignment.
The Act sets out certain exceptions where differentiated treatment is permitted, including in relation to single-sex services, sports, and the selection of candidates by political parties. However, there is considerable debate and uncertainty for people over the use of these exceptions.

Liberal Democrats believe that individuals and service providers should be given more clarity over how to make decisions that are often very difficult and sensitive. The Government should publish clear and comprehensive guidance on the use of single-sex and separate-sex exceptions under the Act, using worked examples and case studies from organisations providing these services.

The aim of that guidance should be to ensure that everyone who needs single-sex services – such as survivors of sexual violence or domestic abuse – can access them safely, to prevent unjustified discrimination against trans people, and to provide clarity and certainty to service providers and the public. It should be produced in consultation with those most likely to be affected, including women who have experienced sexual violence or domestic abuse, trans people and providers of single-sex services.
Thank you again for contacting me." (bold is mine)

I am steamingly angry at his response. Oh wise vipers, how can I firmly point out that 1) I asked about WOMEN only and 2) govt law should not be built on case-by-case examples?
The only other response was from Fabbers himself stating his firm intent to retain sex-based rights. Pity that he is so awful in everything else!

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Mycatsmudge · 30/06/2024 16:18

GenderRealistBloke · 30/06/2024 16:13

I'm not sure why you are angry at how he has responded.

It's a very clear answer articulating the LibDem position.

I disagree strongly with them. Eg in the letter the implication that single-sex spaces are only 'needed' by people who have experienced trauma.

But he's told you their position. Now you can oppose it, or not vote for it.

Law and policy are made all the time by considering cases, as it should be.

And the political issue is the conflict between sex-based rights and trans rights. Mentioning them both is just recognising that fact.

All in all, it's one of the better replies I've seen from that side. No accusations of transphobia or bigotry or ignorance, talking about women's rights, clear and honest.

Great pragmatic view from a bloke, not so great if you are the sex being relegated to being second class citizens. Now men can apply for a GRC based on how feminine their appearance is and enter women only spaces and Labour, Lib Dem’s, greens, SNP want to to make it easier for them to do so.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5108465-a-male-non-binary-person-gains-a-female-grc?page=2

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A man applied for a GRC and was initially rejected. That was overturned at appeal, and he now has a GRC that says he is female, despite his identity b...

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GenderRealistBloke · 30/06/2024 16:13

I'm not sure why you are angry at how he has responded.

It's a very clear answer articulating the LibDem position.

I disagree strongly with them. Eg in the letter the implication that single-sex spaces are only 'needed' by people who have experienced trauma.

But he's told you their position. Now you can oppose it, or not vote for it.

Law and policy are made all the time by considering cases, as it should be.

And the political issue is the conflict between sex-based rights and trans rights. Mentioning them both is just recognising that fact.

All in all, it's one of the better replies I've seen from that side. No accusations of transphobia or bigotry or ignorance, talking about women's rights, clear and honest.

TWETMIRF · 30/06/2024 16:12

CranfordScones · 30/06/2024 16:08

The LibDems are a lost cause for women. They and the Greens wouldn't recognise a cervix haver woman if they fell over one.

Whenever they talk about women they could be talking about the cunty ones or the dicks. If it is to criticise then it's the cunty type, if it's to praise then it's the dicks

Mrsredlipstick · 30/06/2024 16:11

Unfortunately no politician will say a woman does not have a penis. They are too sensitive to the language. Poor boys.
Genuine transgender persons have surgery and no longer have male genetalia. It would be a cause for great distress for those with dysphoria. That should be the definition however again no one is brave enough to make this law. So we waste our breath arguing with people who protect a tiny number of 'I want it all men'. Shameful.

CranfordScones · 30/06/2024 16:08

The LibDems are a lost cause for women. They and the Greens wouldn't recognise a cervix haver woman if they fell over one.

UtterlyOtterly · 30/06/2024 15:55

I wrote a similar letter to our LibDem, Labour and Green candidates. Got three word salads about inclusivity and diversity back. In each case my reply said

"Thank you for your reply. You will not be getting my vote on 4 July."

Mycatsmudge · 30/06/2024 15:53

You have to decide if women being relegated to being second class citizens in the UK is the most important issue in this election

Waitwhat23 · 30/06/2024 15:50

I would send him this, if it wasn't in your previous correspondence, which is the single sex legislation from the EQA2010 which has very clear examples of the types of services that transwomen, even those who hold a GRC, can be excluded from -

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

The effects of 'Stonewall law', the NHS removing sanctions relating to breaches to their single sex accomodation policy and Governments deliberately ignoring these examples to link funding to their 'inclusive' policy means that the legislation is simply being disregarded.

Equality Act 2010 - Explanatory Notes

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 30/06/2024 15:45

You’re not going to get the Lib Dem’s to change their policies or minds right now. But it might be worth writing back and pointing out how the word salad twaddle that prioritises male feelings over female safety is why he’s lost your vote.

BiggerBoat1 · 30/06/2024 15:30

You don't need to reply. You asked for his opinion. He gave it. If you don't like what he has said then don't vote for him - unless you agree with most other things he's saying and then do vote for him. Your decision.
You don't need to try to convince him to agree with you.