Trans identified man sues McDonalds for being denied access to women’s changing rooms

For whatever reason the perpetrators are protected now, not the victims.

Give Labour 2 minutes in power, this is what's coming

Yup, you’ve been warned. Absolutely dreading next Thursday. Talk about between a rock and a hard place….

We should all recognise that Labour can't get into power without the votes of actual women.

God help us all for the next 5 years. I support that woman who told him to leave 100%

Is that true about "European law?"

Also I wonder what McDonald's thinks? I know they have a franchise model so it's possible HQ won't have anything to do with this.

No. A man is still capable of intimidating a woman even though he doesn't have a penis.

Apart from anything else, you won't know. And also, society should not be encouraging men to mutilate themselves.

The point is, again, we are discussing the men. What can they do to secure access. What do they have to think, feel, perform, remove.

When the actual focus should be on the women. Women are not therapy for men! We are not there to validate their feelings, penis or no penis.

Women should have every right to their own sex specific space. It's not a space that is designed for men to fetishise in, validate themselves in.

It's for women. To bathe, shower, go to the toilet, deal with menstrual problems.

Men using vulnerable women in a state of undress, or going to the toilet doesn't get any more acceptable just because they've had surgery.

@DrBlackbird

When reading about "Sven Lehmann, Germany’s Commissioner for the Acceptance of Sexual and Gender Diversity (also known colloquially as the “Queer Commissioner”)", it makes me feel so tired of men with fetishes like him imposing them on the world and dragging as many people into their fetish as possible including children and young vulnerable people.*

Not a man with a fetish, just another gay man with a hatred for women. There's all too many of them sadly. A similar one, Alfonso Pantisano, last year was appointed the land-level queer commissioner for Berlin. He'd previously made waves on Twitter by calling journalists at Germany's oldest (and very much second generation) feminist magazine "bitches defecating [on a memorial]." He's also lectured women on feminism while calling himself a feminist.

Everything could be so simple if the law stated that trans women are women only after they've had the genital surgery, don't you think?

That 25-year-old woman is definitely a man in his 40s.

Ffs.

perverts have never had it so good

Divon’s lawyer, Leonie Thum, said during proceedings, “According to European law, a trans woman is a woman and must be treated as such.”

And will it soon be said that "according to UK law, a trans woman is a woman and must be treated as such"? Thinking about laws, shall we place bets that when Labour takes office, that they will not block Scotlands gender reform bill and self ID will become law there?

When reading about "Sven Lehmann*, Germany’s Commissioner for the Acceptance of Sexual and Gender Diversity (also known colloquially as the “Queer Commissioner”)", it makes me feel so tired of men with fetishes like him imposing them on the world and dragging as many people into their fetish as possible including children and young vulnerable people.

*”Lehmann has secured public funding for an organization that provides Youth sexuality counselling services, workshops, and summer camps. Lambda also publishes a magazine… aimed at, youth as young as 14 years of age, and has promoted various fetishes, including bondage, voyeurism and exhibitionism, medical play, and age fetishes".

Age fetishes 🤨 is there another name for that 🤔

They weren’t smiling at you mate!

As a woman there is literally nowhere that I can relax and not have to worry about men at all. Apart from at home of course. So now according to him I have nowhere ever to let my guard down. How wonderful

Absolutely shocking

True @GrumpyPanda but the photo that is included here is really quite revealing in all senses of the word.

That's all very well but SelfID is coming from August 1, so after a three-month wait period "Kylie" will be able to have his passport officially adjusted.

Just today the Times reported on a nurse in Fife who was suspended after a male colleague complained that she had challenged his use of the female changing room where the female nurse was changing alone late at night.

It is necessary to offer and ensure 3rd spaces, It's the rational reasonable and compassionate response of an answer that works for all, and takes at face value the statements of 'I do not identify as a man/feel safe in the men's space.'

We can then move on to establishing that when the response is 'no, I demand access to non consenting women in a state of undress without any power to hold boundaries against me that I find inconvenient', that this is not rational, reasonable or going to be permitted.

Unless of course Labour are in power, who enthusiastically support all this.

Male entitlement doesn’t seem to disappear when the makeup goes on.

Existing thread on the topic by @Brefugee

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5105707-unstoppable-force-meets-immovable-object?reply=136322427

He's not interested in having somewhere to change, he's interested in having access to the spaces women are using, while the women are in there. He rejected the offer of using the management's lockable changing room.

A spokesperson for McDonald’s told the news outlet: “The restaurant management tried to respond to the needs and suggested various solutions – such as using its own lockable changing room. However, this was rejected.”

That's not a very photoshopped version of a photo of a person is it 😂

I can just imagine how they look in real life and why they were denied access in the first place.

As bad as this is, I am getting very fed up with so many people turning everyday life into some kind of a performance.

Lest we forget.

So many of those demands have been met by erosion, and false equality and diversity training, even against the law.

The only mercy is that there has been something of a pause.