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Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?

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WishingOnACar · 27/06/2024 20:46

It’s close in this seat between Greens and Labour.

Green canvasser (male) came to the door this evening so I asked what the local candidate’s position is on single sex spaces. He immediately launched into a monologue about trans rights, talking about trans suicide rates as they are such a marginalised group, and that the issue of single sex spaces and trans rights has become toxic and everyone needs to be kinder about it. He doesn’t feel comfortable talking to me about it, because he’s a man. I pointed out that he’s there representing the views of Carla Denyer, not himself!

Anyway, he’s basically talked himself out of a Green vote from me, which is something that I had been considering. Interesting how he immediately mentioned trans rights when I had simply asked about single sex spaces - it’s clearly not something that Carla will be supporting, so that’s me out.

I’m toying with voting Labour, but increasingly think I might vote for KJK and POW party, just so my GC voice is counted.

Is that pointless?

I’m an NHS worker in a field where GC views would probably get me fired, so this feels like the only way I can have my (anonymous!) voice heard!

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CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:33

Pourquoise · 28/06/2024 11:31

don't know about her nominating officer

The Party Of Women nominating officer is Paul Duddridge

Thank you. What a lovely home page that is.

Pourquoise · 28/06/2024 11:31

Sausagenbacon · 28/06/2024 08:45

Oh hello Cassie.
Keeping your end up as ever .
So , for the last time. The Left won't engage with her.
But then the Left won't engage with ANYONE who's pro Women. And that includes thangham (in public, apparently there is a secret TD that's gc, according to posters here)
So the Right are drawn to her. So what?
To follow your points

  • right wing people go to her events - how does she control that? Given the amount of abuse her followers get from TRAs at events, I have absolute admiration from them.
  • taking money from organisations with right wing members. Well, if you were talking about ACTUAL rw organisations, I might accept that. But organisations 'with rw members'? So what?
  • don't know about her nominating officer. I don't care.
Lastly, she might be RW, but trying to paint her as a borderline fascist is just pathetic. Fwiw I know KJK is a loose cannon. I know she is irritating. But she's an ordinary woman who has dedicated herself for supporting women's rights. Yes, she'll probably lose her deposit, but she deserves my support. And that's the limit of my interaction with you.

don't know about her nominating officer

The Party Of Women nominating officer is Paul Duddridge

Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?
CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:27

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:18

CassieMaddox · Today 11:04

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

But they are, they are falsely claiming that she's in bed with Nazis and other far right nuts, when it's patently untrue. It's repeated by people with the critical analysis abilities of a particularly slow thrip.

It doesn't look "patently untrue" to me. It looks like a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, supported by lots of circumstantial evidence. Therefore it comes down to a difference of opinion on how you judge that evidence, rather than "true/untrue".

The statement in the Pesutto case shows that it's not a slam dunk. If it were, then both sides wouldn't have had to issue non-apology apologies; and both sides wouldn't be claiming the other side settled. There would be a clear winner.

The complete lack of respect of even tolerance for a different opinion on KJK is why people on this board get accused of fangirling. It appears there is no objective appraisal of why people who are GC might not want to be associated with her and what she stands for.

WishingOnACar · 28/06/2024 11:21

A friend (in a different area) was just talking about tactical voting so I checked what is being suggested to Bristol Central, and they are suggesting Green. Wonder how much of a difference that will make to things (and why they are suggesting that given no chance of a Tory win here)?

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IamaRevenant · 28/06/2024 11:19

I'm going for Thangam (as usual).

Momentarily tempted by Carla but ultimately it's a tactical vote from me.

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:18

CassieMaddox · Today 11:04

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

But they are, they are falsely claiming that she's in bed with Nazis and other far right nuts, when it's patently untrue. It's repeated by people with the critical analysis abilities of a particularly slow thrip.

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:16

CassieMaddox · Today 08:28

Apart from

Far right people live streaming her events from the front row
Far right people turning up at her events

What about the TEZs who turn up at her events? Does that make her a trans activist?

Sausagenbacon · 28/06/2024 11:16

AFAIK they take down your general stance. If you have any particular issues, and the candidate is with them, they will call them over to discuss it with you. The point is to find people who support your party and, on election night, if you haven't voted, they will come and prompt you to vote.

WishingOnACar · 28/06/2024 11:16

Thanks for all of the thoughts here, some really interesting and mixed views!

I think the only conclusion that I've come to is it's a definite no to Green, but I hadn't fully considered the possibility of voting for POW might mean that the Greens get in if POW take the vote from TD, so might be safest to vote Labour given they are likely to be the better of the two (Green vs Labour)

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JedEye · 28/06/2024 11:15

Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 11:13

@Sausagenbacon I never raise any issues with canvasers of any party, because I heard they make notes against your name about what you say. Don't know if it's true?

Do they?!

WishingOnACar · 28/06/2024 11:15

Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 11:13

@Sausagenbacon I never raise any issues with canvasers of any party, because I heard they make notes against your name about what you say. Don't know if it's true?

Would it matter if they did?

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Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 11:13

@Sausagenbacon I never raise any issues with canvasers of any party, because I heard they make notes against your name about what you say. Don't know if it's true?

Sausagenbacon · 28/06/2024 11:09

In the end, who knows?
My vote is about Labour, no matter how hard-working TD is, Labour will blatantly trample over women's concerns. As I have said before - look at what they've been doing in Opposition, what will they do when they are in power?
Thangham has done nothing about this, no matter what a good local MP she is, and how (supposedly) GC she is.
My dh canvasses for her, and finds it worrying how many people are leaning towards the Greens. But this is because of the Palestinian Issue and also because many people don't want to see a big Labour majority. The Gender Issue has never come up with him but has come up with a female canvasser he knows.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:07

WhereIsTheHare · 28/06/2024 10:15

I wonder where he got that from? This non partisan aggregation of polling doesn’t reflect Mr Dale’s view at all.

Electoral calculus probably
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Bristol+Central

Debonnaire is by no means likely to win; if she loses to Denyer it means we lose a reasonable feminist to be replaced by a TWAW headbanger. Not sure that's a good outcome.

I've always been perplexed why KJK eventually settled on Bristol Central; I hope she doesn't end up taking votes that cause Debonnaire to lose the seat Sad

Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?
Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 11:06

Just a reminder that Thangam knows there are no abuse support options for women in Bristol because the Labour council ended them. She has failed to ever speak up about it, despite being asked to do so.

childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

Rape and sex abuse support (SARSAS), Nextlink (domestic abuse and Freedom programme), Womankind etc- all mixed sex ( and even include men who say they are women in what they tell female victims are 'women only' groups). Women who need single sex support are left isolated and excluded.

This decision was made by a Labour council under a Labour mayor. Yet Thangam is silent and Keir says the Equality Act provisions are working well for women.

Whoever you vote for, please ask them about what action they will take to introduce single sex support female victims of male abuse can actually access, alongside the current mixed sex options.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:04

OldCrone · 28/06/2024 09:05

You missed the points about LWS stewards marching with Tommy Robinson

She's not responsible for what her volunteers do in their spare time.

and Hearts of Oak (also Tommy Robinson) live streaming from the front row of her events.

Her events are open to everyone. TRAs have also filmed at her events. Does that make her a TRA?

Not from the front row as if they were special guests 😂
I'm pretty sure she'd kick them out.

Anyway, we can have different opinions. It was this I was respinding to: I'm so bored with posters immediately trotting out the supposed connections between KJK and the far right. With no proof.

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 28/06/2024 10:34

Presumably someone on the ground in Bristol, I don’t know as he didn’t say.

WhereIsTheHare · 28/06/2024 10:15

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 28/06/2024 10:04

Iain Dale said he’d heard that Thangam is very likely to lose her seat. I don’t know if that would affect your vote.

I wonder where he got that from? This non partisan aggregation of polling doesn’t reflect Mr Dale’s view at all.

Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2024 10:13

That means he thinks Denyer will win I guess.

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 28/06/2024 10:04

Iain Dale said he’d heard that Thangam is very likely to lose her seat. I don’t know if that would affect your vote.

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 09:38

OldCrone · 28/06/2024 09:05

You missed the points about LWS stewards marching with Tommy Robinson

She's not responsible for what her volunteers do in their spare time.

and Hearts of Oak (also Tommy Robinson) live streaming from the front row of her events.

Her events are open to everyone. TRAs have also filmed at her events. Does that make her a TRA?

There was no "front row" .

Everyone listening formed a very tight circle around KJK and there were numerous cameras in the circle.
No one was identified. I was there.

Cassie seems to live vicariously through second hand gossip presented in a bizarre triumphant manner as if she's come back from the desert with tablets of stone she's chiseled out. It's funny.

VitaSays · 28/06/2024 09:24

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 08:57

You missed the points about LWS stewards marching with Tommy Robinson and Hearts of Oak (also Tommy Robinson) live streaming from the front row of her events.

The denial is something else.

There is also her recent blatantly transphobic comments but that is just objectionable not far right.

KJK is damaging the GC movement and the chances of any government taking us seriously. Having heard her haranguing the police officers last night I wouldn't want to talk with her either. Not surprised politicians give her a wide berth. Who wants to go into a conversation knowing they are going to get insulted, and broadcast on twitter?

This insistence on purity held the GC movement back in the early days. KJK appeals to GC women who don't share all my values but that's because concern for women's rights and safety isn't limited to members of the Labour Party. KJK reaches parts of the population that WPUK could never reach. Those women, even if I disagree with them on many things, have votes and voices and can influence their politicians on this issue.

borntobequiet · 28/06/2024 09:24

CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 23:07

Yes. They should know that pointing out any of KJKs foibles results in a good shoeing!
Central Bristol people might be interested in her latest video claiming a police car outside the Beacon is "there for her" while she sits a fair distance away drinking coffee. It's a bit odd to say the least to think a marked police car in Central Bristol is there for you 😂

Not when the POW candidate in Sheffield has been threatened with arrest for leafleting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5106779-sheffield-party-of-women-candidate-threatened-with-arrest-for-leaflets?page=1

Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets | Mumsnet

Not much info about this yet, but just saw it on Twitter. BREAKING. Party of Women [[https://x.com/SheffieldPOW @SheffieldPOW]] candidate in Leeds...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5106779-sheffield-party-of-women-candidate-threatened-with-arrest-for-leaflets?page=1

VitaSays · 28/06/2024 09:10

I'd vote POW in your shoes, OP. Greens are out, Labour will walk it in Bristol and don't need your vote so make your point — unless you want to vote Conservative.

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