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Using preferred pronouns in primary school

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itispersonal · 22/06/2024 22:42

We have just been told a child in our school who has been dressing 'of the opposite gender' is now wanted to change their name and use different pronouns.

Where do teaching staff stand on this... I'm tolerable to using their preferred name but not pronouns and won't be going along that they are of the opposite sex.

New draft consultation from the government looks to side with those who are GC (but it is non statutory) and said no one "should be compelled to use these preferred pronouns"

Agreeing to a child's request to have others use different pronouns about them is a significant decision. Primary school aged children should not have different pronouns to their sex-based pronouns used about them.
For older children, schools do not need to specify pronouns to be used about each pupil and can decline a request to change a child's pronouns. Where a school or college considers a child's request, they should consult the child's parents and consider all the relevant factors as outlined above. Having considered these factors and examined all the evidence, schools and colleges should only agree to a change of pronouns if they are confident that the benefit to the individual child outweighs the impact on the school community. It is expected that there will be very few occasions in which a school or college will be able to agree to a change of pronouns. On these rare occasions, no teacher or pupil should be compelled to use these preferred pronouns and it should not prevent teachers from referring to children collectively as 'girls' or 'boys, even in the presence of a child that has been allowed to change their pronouns. Even in the exceptional case where safeguarding requires a school or college to take an alternative approach, schools and colleges should exhaust all other options, such as using first names, to avoid requiring other individuals having to use preferred pronouns. In these exceptional cases, schools or colleges should make sure that all relevant staff are aware of a gender questioning child's biological sex, to fulfil their safeguarding and legal duties.

Could work take action for not using the preferred pronouns? If when interacting with the child they are still treated with respect. The county council has form for taking staff to court but can't find an update on the appeal.

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LittleLittleRex · 23/06/2024 09:14

Our school walked the line between not using pronouns they'd been told (by the parents) upset the child and not actually lying. So the trans kids are always referred to by name, not he or she.

itispersonal · 23/06/2024 09:11

@nothingcomestonothing

This is another of my feeling - oh the other children are so accepting it's their parents who will have issue. Children don't know any different, but they are being encouraged to lie and without a say! Will they be told off if they say the wrong pronoun or name?

Other staff saying it's the just like the next barrier - like racism and sexuality. No it's actually not.

We already have unisex toilets which now all smell of pee and horrible to use! Which impacts on girls and their toileting habits and comfort!

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nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2024 09:06

This thread might be useful?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4941834-10-year-old-non-binary-friend

I stand by what I said in it - required pronouns is discrimination against kids with learning difficulties, low literacy, and different religions/beliefs than the identifying child, and is also how we get social contagion. Your school is harming both this child and all the other children if it requires obedience to this ideology.

10 year old non binary friend | Mumsnet

My dd is 10. My daughter now has a friend who has declared they're non binary - much to their parents delight. This child now wears about a billi...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4941834-10-year-old-non-binary-friend

itispersonal · 23/06/2024 09:03

Yes this is what I've found but it's non satutory and a draft! So can I quote it at school??

Also found this on a legal website

Schools that have adopted a toolkit, similar to the one introduced by Brighton and Hove Council in 2021 and replicated by a number of other local authorities may also have to reconsider their approach. The toolkit provides that schools should respect a child's request to change their name and pronoun as a 'pivotal' part of supporting their identity, as well as other changes such as switching to wearing trousers or a skirt. A legal opinion published by Karon Monaghan KC concludes that schools and councils using the toolkit are very likely to be in breach of equality and human rights legislation and could be sued by unhappy parents. She also says that forcing staff to use a child's chosen pronouns would be in direct conflict with the beliefs of staff and other children who are gender-critical and could violate their rights.

But then we have stories like teacher 'Hannah' who lost her job for refusing and other teachers who got sacked for refusing! So it is confusing! However these were before Dec 2023 - can't find an outcome for teacher Hannah's appeal- is it still pending?

And the union are well in bed with gender ideology so won't be much use!

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Justme56 · 23/06/2024 08:58

Sorry I didn’t see you had already referred to this.

WarriorN · 23/06/2024 08:45

Ffs.

Who has given "advice" ?

Also, who delivers the safeguarding training in the school?

itispersonal · 23/06/2024 07:58

Primary!

Parents are happy with name change and pronouns, parent brought it up. School has apparently taken advice and are going along with it!

I think it's confusing for the other children and if get children to lie about this, how do they ever trust adults- as well as all the issues for it! The Cass report, the draft consultation all support wait and see! This children is still early in their primary education.

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WarriorN · 23/06/2024 07:47

Are you primary or secondary?

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 07:28

That's a difficult position to be in, OP.

So confusing for other children.

Can you raise it and ask all those questions? I understand many of the unions are going to be less than helpful.

WarriorN · 23/06/2024 07:12

I've not really answered your q but Cass makes it clear clinicians should be involved. I can't see how you could be prosecuted as the child hasn't changed sex but it could get tricky.

From a safeguarding pov the child needs to know they are the sex they are

WarriorN · 23/06/2024 07:08

The latest version of kcsie is statutory in sept.

It cites Cass - the draft gender questioning guidelines are to support Cass.

You could raise it with slt as this is social transition which is not a neutral act and send them Cass