Emma Barnett and Gillian Keegan.

Labour did not say they would enact a gender recognition act in 2004.

Of course they didn’t, because everyone would have thought they were mad.

Gender ideology is a very recent social infection, deliberately pushed by ideologues with a variety of (mostly nefarious) reasons.

RainWithSunnySpells
Autogynephilia in women. 2009.
"By the common definition of ever having erotic arousal to the thought or image of oneself as a woman, 93% of the respondents would be classified as autogynephilic. Using a more rigorous definition of "frequent" arousal to multiple items, 28% would be classified as autogynephilic."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19591032/

borntobequiet
I wasn't wrong at all. I was trying to make the point (I made it badly then it seems), that Labour did not say they would enact a gender recognition act in 2004. It wasn't in either the 2001 or 2004 manifestos. That's because it came down from on high. The EU. Blair was happy to oblige, and Labour have not changed their minds under subsequent leadership. In fact they've doubled down. Labour are clearly broadly still EUphile, wouldn't cross the European Court of Human Rights on this, and have no intention of repealing the GRA. They may well modify it though. In doing so, they will not make trans rights weaker. But, with a huge landslide, they may well strengthen trans rights, and quite possibly/probably overturn any recent tory legislstion regarding trans, that the torys were able to pass into law before being kicked out in October or November this year; -- as they most definitely will be.

Labour won under Tony Blair with no mention of what they were actualky going to do in office. Just a half dozen bland pledges.

You’re wrong - no surprise. Here’s the Labour Party manifesto from 1997. No wonder Labour won on a landslide 179 seats.

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1997/1997-labour-manifesto.shtml

There used to be a Twitter account called Nig Heke that collected examples of trans-identified men filming themselves in women’s-only spaces doing the sorts things described further up the thread. The account was report bombed frequently by TRAs but kept coming back in various guises. The Nig Heke account was a bit like Mary Cate Delvey’s Twitter project of ‘listening to Trans Women in their own words'.

The videos were got from social media, only fans, Twitter (pre Musk’s crackdown), Reddit and pornhub.

The men were doing revolting things and brain bleach was required after seeing any of them.

Well considering that you think all TW just want to pee, I'm wondering if you have missed this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1815090/

???? So much stuff I have never heard of. Lol.

Am I missing much?

Is it like that old ad', no ft, no comment? Lol.

It's not a porn site, it's a forum where they archive stuff that people post on the internet. Sometimes for the lolz (the infamous LOLcows), sometimes because they are documenting crime (they recently helped identify a particularly nasty animal abuser who was then convicted). Some people hate it, some people don't care about it, some people like it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4814090-antipodean-fruit-growers-3-is-the-kiwi-a-dodo-or-a-phoenix

Looked at that thread. Began about trans vs women's rights, and is currently about illegal imigrants. Lol. Drifting somewhat.

But it's clear, that if Sunak wants more votes, his lackys should be reading that thread, and honing their rhetoric (lies) accordingly. Lol.

And maybe they are doing exactly that.

Yes there are other parties. But they will not gain power. Hence vote wasted. Not sure if it matters though, as none of them have answers worth hearing on any subject.

I think Labour's landslide win, will be on a low turn out, due to voter apathy.

It depends on a different things in different areas.

For the "single issue" voters, there's Reform UK, SDP, Party of Women and George Galloway's party. For most other voters, the Tories are not trusted on this or any issue.

The Farms will have receipts of this behaviour too.

Sorry, in my innocence/ignorance of most matters porn, I have no idea what that even means. Lol.

Here's a fairly current thread about exactly that issue

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5065431-are-you-voting-in-the-next-general-election-purely-on-the-transgender-issue

On page 8 I explained how to find Skirt Go Spinny's video. I think the whole thing is abour 30 mins, but in the last five mins (approx) there is a montage of what you were searching for,

The Farms (the antipodean fruit farm that is) will have receipts of this behaviour too.

Oh ffs, as there's no way I'm clicking on porn hub, I instead, googled 'porn transwomen in women's toilets', and the first 30 hits were links to exactly that.

"The reason the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning is they're a proven failure. On all metrics."

Totally agree.

But who are people going to vote for, with respect to trans issues?

Gross as it is, I did a quick search.

The only men in women's toilets porn that appeared in the results, were blokes having sex with women in women's toilets. No trans women appeared. No doubt there must be some. But it doesn't feature large as far as I found.

But the Tories didn't addressed the issue. They were instrumental in creating the issue and have only ever paid only lip service to fixing it.🤷‍♀️

Women remember life in 2004, 2010, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019. We know how this happened, who it happened under and that "at least the Tories know what a woman is"🙄 was nothing more than another Tory spin doctor lie. We know the Tories don't give a shit about women. We know that Sunak is going the day after the GE. We know that Tories will back Penny TWAW Mordaunt as their next leader.

The reason the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning is they're a proven failure. On all metrics.

It's as if you are arguing on a technicality "yes, yes, i know that men like to dress up as women, wank in women's spaces, film it and upload it on to websites - but prove its the fasting growing genre"

again, I'm not clicking on porn hub. Sorry to disappoint.

There is tons and tons of pornography of men in women's toilets.

As I said it's even on Twitter. It's not a secret

I'm aware that there are many videos like that circulating, and after the incident where some men invaded a Primark women's changing room a new category of Primark Porn was created.

But don't answer a question with a question.

Do you believe the people going into the women's toilets doing this are trans women or are they men?

Labour won under Tony Blair with no mention of what they were actualky going to do in office. Just a half dozen bland pledges. Stamer's being guided by that, and the REAL left, are biding their time, quietly, waiting for the landslide, when they will reassert their power.

Trans issues will be on the agenda, and it won't be to restrict trans rights. Though, quite sensibly, self certification or whatever you call it, is pretty well dead I agree. But at the very least, the status quo will remain I think.

Do you really believe "The fastest growing porn category is transwomen in women's toilets, pissing on the seat, uploading selfies of their cocks, and putting sperm on the toilet paper"?

Do you believe the people going into the women's toilets doing this are trans women or are they men?

So you've made a ludicrous claim, told me to go and look on porn hub, and then refuse to look at actual statistics?

Good to see we're dealing with facts in a rational manner instead of making up complete shite so we can scaremonger about trans people.

No, I haven't extrapolated anything. There were several threads on here about the specific category.

But if porn hub says that's not the case (I'm not clicking on it), then that's all to the good.

Maybe the tide turning has discouraged men from being quite so blatant.

It is misguided to think that Labour will be very pro-trans. Keir Starmer has already had to go back on a lot of what he has said about trans issues because it's a vote loser.

The trans issues have had a huge role to play in the downfall of Sturgeon and Yousef. Labour will not go full steam ahead with trans rights which will see a massive backlash, it's just not clever to lose so much popularity so early in government. If Labour gained power 2 or 5 years ago they would've been a lot more pro-trans than today.

Whilst Labour are more pro-trans than Conservative, I think they will be careful, particularly after Cass.