JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

Except of course if they work for John Lewis where the company are likely to celebrate & make a feature out of employees with a fetish 😑:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5008744-boycott-jl-and-waitrose-james-esses-latest-substack-on-john-lewis-lgbtqia-identity-mag

So you forgive him for his behaviour rather than apologise for yours?

Why is it that men with AGP is seen as an “acceptable” fetish. If middle aged men were going to work , or the supermarket, or volunteering to referee football matches while dressed as babies, or in gimp masks, or dressed in latex or leather, or accompanied by their support dominatrix they wouldn’t get beyond the security desk. But dress up as a poor imitation of a woman and suddenly you are a figure of sympathy, calling you out for what you are is bullying, and people with negative feelings about having to work alongside you are reviled.

Thank you for flagging this section. She's not wrong in what she says here.

So what are we supposed to make of your random, off topic comment then Mill?

What was the point of the comment, what point were you making? Also, you don't get to tell other people how to feel about your comments.

I'm sure this probably sounds harsh, but women are so sick of men turning up and sticking their oar in where it isn't wanted - that's literally what the discussion about women only spaces is all about.

If you can't appreciate this, you're even more tone deaf than you appear.

Yeah, odd that.

I'm finding it very interesting how the males are sticking together to castigate women who dare to tell the truth and hurt the feelings of trans women.

It's almost as though they know exactly who the men are.

Well he's not doing anything to men. I should imagine it's not that hard to forgive him.

Bit of concept altogether really tho.

I think with Hayton it’s the opposite. As well as the AGP paraphilia, I actually think he enjoys being denigrated by women, not applauded.

Well that was a stunningly informative and useful post. (Sarcasm in case you were wondering, trust you'll forgive me for that too).

I'm always intrigued by these 'oh I'm not trying to influence anyone, I'm just saying...' posts.

It's a bit passive aggressive.

It's a bit like people who post memes on fb that attempt to condense complex socio political issues down into a couple of sentences, that then get the hump if you ask them to elaborate.

If the conversation was about forgiveness, fair dos. But it wasn't.

Why do you want us to know you forgive him? I'm genuinely interested.

Forgive him for what?

Yes it does. I suppose some of the well known GC advocates fear association with KJK because she doesn't have a politician's approach. The changes that need to happen are political now, and legal, as well as societal. Perhaps they fear that genderism has such a hold on us that honesty can be painted as bigotry and written off.

I think someone like JKR or Helen Joyce or Julie Bindel might acknowledge the points around language that KJK makes as valid. Women don't agree on everything (or anything) and don't have to. But KJK makes the same points Sex Matters makes, Transgender Trend, JKR. She just refuses to um and ah and compromise truth or tell other women they should do that. And importantly she role models for other women - she practices what she preaches.

It is fine for these public spokeswomen to say for example that we shouldn't have to use pronouns but then nevertheless to go ahead and use them or choose to use them on occasion or argue publicly that is a personal choice. This misses the point that it is a difficult choice to follow at present. I think this messaging is so complicated it is still unsupportive of those who want to simply speak the truth.

Looking at the posts on this board around women fearing job loss or ostracisation for not using preferred pronouns tells us just that.

Yep.

Kellie Jay video discussing the current Hayton kerfuffle:

The section between 11.30 to 12.30 sums up the issue spectacularly well.

I'm seeing a lot of this - the idea that women are basically correct but go on about it too much. Rory Stewart said similar in an interview recently.

I think that as trans ideology is being exposed, but is showing no signs of shame and disappearing of its own accord, people dont want to deal with the consequences of actually doing something about it. We are expected to ignore the ideology and hope it goes away eventually.

Who is a heretic you admire? I like this question from Andrew Gold. My answer is Kellie Jay Keen who is the only woman in the UK who has consistenly (almost every week day for the last 5 + years) worked without salary on behalf of women publicly in this movement. Not rich women with status. She hasn't been lauded by other well off women with status. She has been herself, irreverent, honest, funny, absolutely steely, and yet kind and supportive of her sex. For years she said nothing as she was disavowed by other women in this "movement" for being herself. Sometimes she goes too far in her presentations. She really is the woman next door. But she is the voice of this movement for me. A woman who says what she thinks in public. She stands above even JKR considering what she has given of herself on behalf of women in the Uk and overseas. I would love to see the "acceptable and reasonable" public facing GC feminists give her acknowledgement for telling the truth.

Yes! And Venice Allen. I was there and I thought they were being mean. How wrong I was.

What I could never get my head around was Julie's insistence that working with the wrong people was key to her methodology, but yet she was hoodwinked by a man in a dress so easily. Every when so many other people were screaming 'Nooooooo' at her.

I mean, the pic of him in his rubber gloves might have been a huge hint!