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Emma Bunton

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/05/2024 16:46

Emma Bunton has posted a picture tribute for her son Tate's 13th birthday with a hashtag #shesmybaby. The 3 young people pictured all have long hair so my initial thought was 'her son must be trans'.

KJK has posted a video saying if she calls her son she/her then she's a child abuser. Not sure what to make of it. I get where KJK is coming from but child abuser?

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INeedAPensieve · 10/05/2024 09:31

What was it David Tennant said @May2024 ?

Also that interview with Emma 8 years ago about her wee boy playing with dolls and how it was fine etc was very refreshing. I wonder at the change now; growing your hair long, liking dolls and "girly" things (as a boy) does not mean you are therefore a girl. It's SO regressive! As a wee girl my sister and I played with HeMan and thundercats and I loved dinosaurs. We were not boys. I miss the 90s. I feel like the 90s as a young pre teen then teenager we could wear what we wanted and no one cared. A boy in my class used to come in wearing dresses no one cared. He paired it with eyeliner and big doc martens. Well, the teachers would care about dress code as it wasn't the uniform, but as it was 6th year it wasn't as strict. I used to come in wearing kappa trousers!

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Sarah2891 · 09/05/2024 17:10

Yes her son is trans. Calling her a child abuser is pretty ridiculous.

Why? Is it because transing a child is a mainly middle-class fad and as a society we're reluctant to face up to the scale of abuse perpetrated by the middle-class as a group? Because it certainly is an abusive act imo.

Floisme · 10/05/2024 08:46

I don't know Tate or Emma's story and I did find what KJK wrote quite shocking, but then so, I think, is pretending to your child that they can change sex.

May2024 · 10/05/2024 07:07

So ... Baby Spice's son liked dolls when he was young and now has long hair and is being outed as "trans" at 13 ... fucking 13 years old??!!

What the fuck is wrong with her?? She one of the cool kids now as she has a "trans" kid??

13!! What the actual fuck. As you can see I'm completely gob smacked! What is wrong with these "celebrities"

Why not just say Happy Birthday Tate on Insta. So much for wanting to keep her kids out the public eye. Fucking narcissists the lot of them!

Her and David Tenant need to meet with each other in a decade or so and cry over the damage they've done to their kids!

And why did no one started a thread on his insane chat the other day? Maybe I will now!

I used to love him as an actor now I feel is complete contempt when I see him on the screen.

midgetastic · 09/05/2024 23:42

Omg

Dh has long hair

I'll tell him he's trans

GC5 · 09/05/2024 23:41

JamesPringle · 09/05/2024 17:30

Calling her a child abuser is ludicrous. KJK is working very hard to discredit the whole GC movement imo. These kinds of ridiculous comments overshadow the balanced, reasonable arguments that many people have carefully formed due to concern about children taking puberty blockers, having life-changing surgery etc. KJK is doing the GC movement no favours at all.

Completely agree with this.

EggcornAcorn · 09/05/2024 23:40

Sarah2891 · 09/05/2024 17:10

Yes her son is trans. Calling her a child abuser is pretty ridiculous.

Wait, if her son is 'trans' why have you not said 'yes her daughter is trans' ???

That's the difficulty with the mangling of language and obfuscation of clarity of communications.

GreenClock · 09/05/2024 23:34

Emma Bunton always seemed like such a sensible, low-key sort, this is really odd.

SmallBox · 09/05/2024 23:27

If you affirm a child as the wrong sex from a young age then puberty is going to be a hell of a lot worse for them. If her poor child has been told he's a girl then how is he meant to cope when he gets taller and hairier. It might not be abuse but it's pretty damn close if you ask me.

FiatEarth · 09/05/2024 22:23

She could have made a post with a photo of the cake and a simple Happy Birthday Tate but instead chose to be deliberately provocative with the hashtag and the dumb message about being yourself.

He's now being led down a different path he should be taking.

It's absolutely sickening.

Livinginaclock · 09/05/2024 22:03

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StripeySuperNova · 09/05/2024 21:54

From her website:
Kellie-Jay Keen founded Party Of Women to make sure that people can safely say:
No woman has a penis
No man has a vagina
There is no such thing as "non-binary"
And "transitioning" children is abuse
She's just following the party line - transitioning children is abuse, those who transition children are abusers.
She's an activist. She has a line to stick to. And you can't deny that her actions have changed the conversation.

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nauticant · 09/05/2024 20:13

Emma Bunton has revealed what her youngest son is getting for Christmas – and it seems he's a chip off the old block. The Spice Girls singer says her 4-year-old Tate loves playing with dolls particularly ones from a girl band…

https://www.madeformums.com/news/why-emma-buntons-son-is-getting-little-mix-dolls-for-christmas/

Sarah2891 · 09/05/2024 18:35

A once a year post wishing your kid Happy Birthday doesn't seem like exploitation to me. Emma doesn't post pictures of Tate's face.

BiggerBoat1 · 09/05/2024 18:25

I’m sure Emma Bunton won’t care about deranged comments. Good on her for celebrating her child.

Signalbox · 09/05/2024 18:13

KJK isn’t wrong but she’s not going to do the GC movement any good with her tactics.

I suspect that KJK doesn’t consider herself to be a part of the “GC movement” if such a thing even exists. Billions of people across the globe understand that it’s not possible for human beings to change sex and many of those people will hold unpalatable views or express themselves imperfectly. I think the only person she’s likely to harm is herself.

MercyDulb0ttle · 09/05/2024 17:48

KJK isn’t wrong but she’s not going to do the GC movement any good with her tactics.

I think she’s so right about everything BUT she seems to be getting a bit OTT. Her videos lately seem to consist of her posting clips of mostly American women (talking admittedly rubbish and gushing about their “trans child”) and then spending ages mimicking/mocking their accents.

I really hate to say it but she’s starting to come across slightly deranged.

Soontobe60 · 09/05/2024 17:42

JamesPringle · 09/05/2024 17:30

Calling her a child abuser is ludicrous. KJK is working very hard to discredit the whole GC movement imo. These kinds of ridiculous comments overshadow the balanced, reasonable arguments that many people have carefully formed due to concern about children taking puberty blockers, having life-changing surgery etc. KJK is doing the GC movement no favours at all.

How would you explain the exploitation of a 13 year old through the medium of social media then? Abuse comes in many forms.

puffyisgood · 09/05/2024 17:41

like most on here I'm no fan at all of celebs trans-ing their kids, but in EB's defence the picture is subtle, you can't see the kid's face (wise), they've kept the old birth name, plus at 13 the kids is plenty old enough to know whether they're 'queer' one way or another.

I've never at all minded the semi-jocular use of female pronouns to refer to (e.g.) effeminate gay boys and men, it's the mind boggling blurring of this and the reality of sex that I can't abide.

bolderthan · 09/05/2024 17:37

The Cass review states that social transition isn't a neutral act. To affirm
her child, whilst understandable as parents always want to please their kids,
isn't in the best interests of the child.

JamesPringle · 09/05/2024 17:30

Calling her a child abuser is ludicrous. KJK is working very hard to discredit the whole GC movement imo. These kinds of ridiculous comments overshadow the balanced, reasonable arguments that many people have carefully formed due to concern about children taking puberty blockers, having life-changing surgery etc. KJK is doing the GC movement no favours at all.

Myalternate · 09/05/2024 17:27

Photos I’ve seen would suggest Tate is a girl, or at least has been dressed as one 🤷‍♀️