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Thread 3: A corpus-assisted discourse analysis of linguistic transphobia on Mumsnet

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 01/05/2024 21:33

In which we continue to discuss the Aston scrapists.

Mumsnet Corpus | Mumsnet

Not a TAAT, but a bit of googling as a result of a now deleted thread has led me to this: [[https://fold.aston.ac.uk/handle/123456789/18 https://fold...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5057903-mumsnet-corpus

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CityAllTheWayBooToVilla · 01/05/2024 22:53

[possibly being a bit unfair on a blameless football club here]

CityAllTheWayBooToVilla · 01/05/2024 22:52

Popping on to say very much thanks to everyone for this thread series which brings me joy and rage in equal measure.

Can we have a t-shirt in city colours please? No-one could ever have thought claret and light blue go well together, they utterly don't - bleugh

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 01/05/2024 22:42

DrBlackbird · 01/05/2024 22:40

Aston presumably waiting this one out for it to die a quiet death?

There's a minimum of two FOIs served on Aston about this because there's two on What Do They Know? and people can also submit them privately.

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Talulahalula · 01/05/2024 22:42

I would like to have something helpful or witty to say but I don’t so I will just say thank you for the new thread.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 01/05/2024 22:41

I exceeded the time limit for editing my summary. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfxdLstIOc&t=13318 is where the researchers talk about how some Mumsnetters discuss fertility treatment, to a snigger from someone in the audience. They knew that they were collecting special category personal data.

Forensic Linguistics Roundtable Event

Welcome to the 1st Roundtable on Practices and Standards in Forensic Authorship Analysis at the University of Manchester. This event is supported by the Inte...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=13318&v=ZUfxdLstIOc

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DrBlackbird · 01/05/2024 22:40

Aston presumably waiting this one out for it to die a quiet death?

INeedAPensieve · 01/05/2024 22:35

An excellent summary there, thank you OP for the third thread.

I await more information about this and will be curious as to how this will play out.

I'm assuming there have been no further updates since the previous thread and the thread on site stuff? I hope MNHQ fight this.

JanesLittleGirl · 01/05/2024 22:30

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 01/05/2024 22:12

For people new to this and wondering what this is all about: it's about the right to privacy and anonymity for every user on this site.

A timeline:

  • Two men from Aston University scraped the contents of Mumsnet for use in their forensic linguistics research and stashed it in a lab somewhere at Aston for other researchers to use.
  • Various researchers used that dataset without any Mumsnetters noticing because their article titles didn't have the word "Mumsnet" in, until...
  • ...a PhD student decided to mine the dataset for evidence of written transphobia with the intention of correlating it to real-world hate crimes, because of course correlation always proves causality... Hmm
  • ...and put the word "Mumsnet" into her presentation title, attracting the attention of a poster from FWR who was none too pleased to have her Grainger-test-passing legally protected beliefs libelled as "transphobia".
  • Some digging then revealed the earlier research outputs and the existence of the stored dataset, at which point the Site Stuff thread was created to inform MNHQ.

The data collection is against Mumsnet's Terms of Service and is likely to bring Aston into GDPR infringement because postings taken in aggregate could identify individuals and users had posted "special category" data such as health information.

The problem is therefore far bigger than FWR regulars being called names by a PhD student. Every poster on this site, including women weighing up whether to have an abortion and talking about their children's disabilities, has had all their posts hoovered up and stored in a form that makes it much much easier to search by anyone who Aston wants to give access to, so much much easier to comb through a user's posting history to look for identifying details that could out them in real life.

Thank you for your intelligent and informative post. Much more helpful than my snarl.

parietal · 01/05/2024 22:28

Thanks for the summary. Is there any more from MumsnetHQ on this?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 01/05/2024 22:12

For people new to this and wondering what this is all about: it's about the right to privacy and anonymity for every user on this site.

A timeline:

  • Two men from Aston University scraped the contents of Mumsnet for use in their forensic linguistics research and stashed it in a lab somewhere at Aston for other researchers to use.
  • Various researchers used that dataset without any Mumsnetters noticing because their article titles didn't have the word "Mumsnet" in, until...
  • ...a PhD student decided to mine the dataset for evidence of written transphobia with the intention of correlating it to real-world hate crimes, because of course correlation always proves causality... Hmm
  • ...and put the word "Mumsnet" into her presentation title, attracting the attention of a poster from FWR who was none too pleased to have her Grainger-test-passing legally protected beliefs libelled as "transphobia".
  • Some digging then revealed the earlier research outputs and the existence of the stored dataset, at which point the Site Stuff thread was created to inform MNHQ.

The data collection is against Mumsnet's Terms of Service and is likely to bring Aston into GDPR infringement because postings taken in aggregate could identify individuals and users had posted "special category" data such as health information.

The problem is therefore far bigger than FWR regulars being called names by a PhD student. Every poster on this site, including women weighing up whether to have an abortion and talking about their children's disabilities, has had all their posts hoovered up and stored in a form that makes it much much easier to search by anyone who Aston wants to give access to, so much much easier to comb through a user's posting history to look for identifying details that could out them in real life.

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JanesLittleGirl · 01/05/2024 22:03

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DrTWETMIRF · 01/05/2024 21:42

I'll put out the fuck off Aston uni signs while I'm here

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