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Disciplinary action for ONS female employees if they object to trans colleagues using their lavatories

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ChristinaXYZ · 30/03/2024 14:30

This -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/30/ons-female-employees-disciplinary-object-trans-toilets/

"Women working for the Office for National Statistics face disciplinary action if they object to male-born colleagues using single-sex lavatories and changing rooms, documents leaked to The Sunday Telegraph reveal.

A cache of HR policies, internal communications and posts from the ONS intranet show that the statistics body has been subject to “institutional capture” by trans activists, gender critical campaigners have alleged...

A set of ONS resources on “Gender Identity and Transitioning at Work” includes a manager’s checklist for supporting a transitioning employee with a section headed “use of single-sex facilities”.

It says: “Have you agreed when the employee will start to use single-sex facilities, such as toilets and changing rooms, appropriate to their acquired gender? This will usually be on the first day of transition.”

The document says that “if colleagues object to sharing facilities with employees going through transition, the situation should be dealt with through communication, discussion and education”.

“If colleagues persist with unreasonable objections you may need to manage the situation via grievance or disciplinary procedures.”"

Much more detail including a response from Sex Matters in the article linked above.

Disciplinary action for ONS female employees if they object to trans colleagues using their lavatories

Leaked documents reveal statistics body is subject to ‘institutional capture’ by transgender activists, gender campaigners allege

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/30/ons-female-employees-disciplinary-object-trans-toilets

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 31/03/2024 19:03

back when the GRA was getting passed, did anyone really think that it would lead to supposedly sensible, logical evidence-based organisations like the ONS would start implementing shit like this?

DadJoke · 31/03/2024 18:56

You can get as abusive as you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that the EHRC statutory guidance says transgender people should use the bathrooms associated with their gender identity, and that pretty much every single employer in the public and private sector follows this policy. Self-righteous outrage is no doubt enjoyable, but it doesn’t change the facts. What do you think should happen to an employee who objects to this after these facts have been
communicated?

I’ve quoted the statutory regs many times, and you’ve confused the provision of single-sex bathrooms with trans-exclusionary bathrooms. Please name a major employer which excludes trans women from women’s toilets. I am sure you’ll have no difficulty at all.

RedToothBrush · 31/03/2024 18:47

SabrinaThwaite · 31/03/2024 18:41

The ONS are choosing not to follow the EA 2010 exceptions that allows for provision of single sex services for toilets and changing rooms. As for the Workplace Welfare Regs, they require that separate rooms are provided for men and women unless each convenience or changing room is in a separate room and lockable from the inside.

So no, not following statutory guidance.

And punishing women for objecting.

Edited

As I say. Not legal.

But hell here's yet another thread where a dickhead knows the law better than all the women.

Who'd thunk?

RedToothBrush · 31/03/2024 18:45

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 18:17

It's a story if an employee's WORIADS belief that the employer is not following the law is met with the response 'get back in your box, bitch'.

As I say. Not legal.

RedToothBrush · 31/03/2024 18:44

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/03/2024 18:11

Who would have thought that there were so many omega males on the planet?

In my day we just called them dickheads or creeps.

It was a time which was much simpler and arguably easier.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/03/2024 18:41

DadJoke · 31/03/2024 18:13

The headline is a poor summary of the story, as there is no story if you say they are simply following the statutory guidance. Again “hypothetical gender critical employee who continues to object to transgender people using the bathroom after they have been told their employer is following the law might be disciplined” is not remotely a story.

The ONS are choosing not to follow the EA 2010 exceptions that allows for provision of single sex services for toilets and changing rooms. As for the Workplace Welfare Regs, they require that separate rooms are provided for men and women unless each convenience or changing room is in a separate room and lockable from the inside.

So no, not following statutory guidance.

And punishing women for objecting.

GailBlancheViola · 31/03/2024 18:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2024 17:44

There's a certain type of man who glories in the contempt for women's rights that gender identity ideology has brought about. There's only one reason why any of these men hang about on a board where most women stand up against it. And it isn't a particularly nice or edifying one.

Indeed.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 18:17

It's a story if an employee's WORIADS belief that the employer is not following the law is met with the response 'get back in your box, bitch'.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 31/03/2024 18:17

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 17:40

I was wondering whether he was a long-running psychological experiment or work of performance art: your theory is interesting also.

i really try to avoid making personal comments but I've read enough of his posts on here to recognise that he is a complete misogynistic git. And as I'm a bloke and he's a bloke I fell quite comfortable telling him that he's a fucking dickhead.

SirChenjins · 31/03/2024 18:15

And he’s back with the same old patronising, dismissive BS…

Helleofabore · 31/03/2024 18:13

I also think we can see some male
people thrive on humiliation. It is obvious and unavoidable once you see the pattern.

DadJoke · 31/03/2024 18:13

SabrinaThwaite · 31/03/2024 16:38

“ONS refuses to respect the safety and dignity of its female employees” is the story though @DadJoke

Not that you’d notice. Or care.

The headline is a poor summary of the story, as there is no story if you say they are simply following the statutory guidance. Again “hypothetical gender critical employee who continues to object to transgender people using the bathroom after they have been told their employer is following the law might be disciplined” is not remotely a story.

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/03/2024 18:11

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/03/2024 17:51

I'm reminded of this thread when reading comments from men advocating for women's boundaries to be breached:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5038366-men-who-harass-women-are-low-status-males

Who would have thought that there were so many omega males on the planet?

Helleofabore · 31/03/2024 18:09

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/03/2024 17:51

I'm reminded of this thread when reading comments from men advocating for women's boundaries to be breached:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5038366-men-who-harass-women-are-low-status-males

Every time I read that thread, certain posters come to mind.

UltraLiteLife · 31/03/2024 18:07

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 17:40

I was wondering whether he was a long-running psychological experiment or work of performance art: your theory is interesting also.

I've seen suggestions that FWR is subject to expts. involving Turing Test bots and I'm not finding that as humorous or far-fetched a suggestion as I used to (although it was tongue in cheek, iirc).

Study: How much will FWR posters continue to engage with community disruptor bots? (Discuss, if preference is for essay questions.)

But maybe this is an evaluation of performance art bots given some of the stuff that the Arts Council has funded…It could even be a mass chatbot re-education module given that so much of the population will need re-education with these employment policies as they spread throughout the land.

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/03/2024 18:01

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 17:40

I was wondering whether he was a long-running psychological experiment or work of performance art: your theory is interesting also.

😂😂😂😂😂

BezMills · 31/03/2024 17:58

Well you could wonder to yourself if any of this lot spend any time scolding educating men on male dominated forums. Probably not eh. Then draw any conclusion you want, why that is.

HipTightOnions · 31/03/2024 17:50

Example from EHRC's 2022 guidance:

Disciplinary action for ONS female employees if they object to trans colleagues using their lavatories
Charlie2121 · 31/03/2024 17:44

When the solution to a problem causes a bigger problem than that being addressed then it is reasonable to suggest it is neither viable or desirable to continue to follow that path.

This holds true for all minority issues whether that be sexuality, religion etc.

Silencing or punishing dissenting voices is an appalling tactic that is destined for failure.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2024 17:44

There's a certain type of man who glories in the contempt for women's rights that gender identity ideology has brought about. There's only one reason why any of these men hang about on a board where most women stand up against it. And it isn't a particularly nice or edifying one.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/03/2024 17:43

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 17:40

I was wondering whether he was a long-running psychological experiment or work of performance art: your theory is interesting also.

Occam’s razor in real time.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 31/03/2024 17:40

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I was wondering whether he was a long-running psychological experiment or work of performance art: your theory is interesting also.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2024 17:40

I'm glad everyone sees through his "more feminist and reasonable than thou" nonsense.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 31/03/2024 17:31

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