Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

I am a great admirer of Peter Tatchell. I have also met him a on a couple of occasions. He is hugely courageous and a true hero of our times.

Beaten to it, obviously, but there's nothing admirable, or courageous about a man who supports middle aged men raping 9 year old boys.

Maybe for the sympathy factor from other ideologically driven people. “I spent time on MN and all I got was x. “

We are seeing Willoughby remaining on Twitter X for the building of profile and sympathy. Why wouldn’t it apply here. And yet, when you look back and see the arguments that this poster uses, they could be considered misogynistic, homophobic and racist and ableist. Yes, there could be considered parallels here.

Handily there is a new thread that is currently collecting evidence of people claiming trans people actually change sex. It's not just one or two people that has incredibly fucked up thinking.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5024662-evidence-of-trans-claiming-to-change-sex

Nailed it

I'll quote you directly -

'No one thinks people can literally change sex, they just think that gender identity is more important.'

But clearly some people do believe that they can change sex.

And if that then impacts on single sex spaces because those who are the opposite sex demand access either because they believe they have literally changed sex or believe that they should because of a bizarre legal fiction, then that is the business of women who need single sex spaces and services for their safety and dignity.

You really are not even that up with what supposedly many male people with trans identities want. We are told constantly that the majority don’t use female single sex spaces out of respect.

Yet here you are dismissing their opinions to prioritise the extreme demands. It is like you have such a polarised view that you cannot consider anything other than full compliance. That really is ideological.

I cannot believe we have a poster on this thread who not only thinks there is nothing wrong with a grown man touching a 12 year old girl for 28 seconds whilst grooming her but also thinks Peter T is a great courageous bloke and a hero of our times.

And we are apparently the ones on here with defective thought processes!

I feel nauseous.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4876222-peter-tatchells-glowing-review-of-paedophiles-book

A whole THREAD about Peter Tatchell's views.

Oh that's a shame. I thought we could reminisce about Peter Tatchell, seeing as you're such an admirer. I had only just started sharing some of his heroic quotes.

I'm not arguing any more this morning. I've heard the same arguments repeated over and over and it's just so tedious that I haven't even got the energy to type any more.

Poor you. Women trying to protect their own rights is just so tedious isn't it. If only we would all just pander to the dick, it would be so much easier.

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

'When it comes to this wider question of whether trans rights diminish women’s rights, Britons are split, with 33% saying it does not pose any genuine risk to women’s rights, while 36% think it does. The other 31% of Britons are unsure.'

Gender identity. That indefinable thing that is beyond definition and only exists as a thought process in people's heads which is different for everyone who experiences it, which is why it can't be defined.

It's nothing to do with sex, and it definitely isn't to do with gender stereotypes, and yet it somehow aligns, or doesn't align, with people's sex.

Despite being indefinable and different for everyone who experiences it, somehow we know that it's really the same thing being experienced by all the people who experience it.

Despite being nothing to do with sex, it's people's sex which is the focus of gender identity, and it's genitals and secondary sex characteristics which must be cosmetically altered to align gender identity with sex.

Gender identity. It's so, so important.

Sorry, it wasn't Arabella it was, Waitwhat23

That trans people should be treated differently from others with the same gender identity.

I'm not arguing any more this morning. I've heard the same arguments repeated over and over and it's just so tedious that I haven't even got the energy to type any more.

Arabella quoted Willoughby saying if they take oestrogen, they have boobs and it means they've changed sex.

I'm just pointing out, that Willoughby was at pains to demonstrate that the 'boobs' they had acquired meant nothing to them.

Its not a conviction, at no point have i said that people who support trans rights believe this

i think that 99% of people believe that you can’t change sex

but definitions of gc vary, 🤷🏻

Have you quoted the wrong person? What has that got to do with anything with they said? 😕

“Society would remove a lot of fear, anxiety and depression if, instead of repressing children’s sexuality, it acknowledged the fact that many children have sexual desires at an early age and accordingly educated children, so they are able to make free, informed and responsible decisions about when and with whom they have sex.”

Peter Tatchell, 'hero of our times', etc

Such an understanding of sex is rare. But anyway, why does it matter if people can or can't change sex? I don't understand why posters here think it's so important. Just let people be. Their chromosomes and hormones are their own business and don't matter.

Willoughby, on rubbing oil into their naked chest on Big Brother, said they felt absolutely nothing in that area. Zero

So if they agree with us that people can't change sex and that trans people should have the same rights as everyone else, what do they disagree with?

He also wanted to go into schools to teach children how to masturbate.

And if parents really, really want to take their children out of sex education lessons, they must be forced to come to the school, and not do it over the phone, to make it a lot harder for them.

As you say, Arabella, heroic stuff.