Evidence of trans claiming to change sex

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I’m sure I’ve seen articles where trans individuals are actually claiming to have changed sex, eg IW claiming to have a cervix. Is there anything out there I can point a friend to, to show that this is happening? Friend and I can have sensible conversations about this which is great but I could do with some help from you awesome lot.

i don’t post here much but I started the break it down for me thread back in the day on a now deleted account!

How about this from Mr Menno as a starter?

Mr Menno is also a legend as is Graham Linehan

evidence of anyone, man or woman, changing sex, anywhere, anytime, ever is zero. You can bet your bottom dollar if there was (which there isn't) we would never have heard the last of it from some quarters.

No idea,but is your Username from Brokeback Mountain?

That’s like asking for evidence of someone spouting absolute rubbish and pushing lies as truth though isn’t it? Or is that your objective, to show how the delusion is being centred as truth?

This was the most blatant imo

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/05/trans-people-change-their-sex-believing-otherwise-is-discriminatory-14518761/amp/

But theres a bunch of examples, I think someone on twitter put together a video of people claiming that trans women are biologically female. It went on for ages. I'll see if I can find it but it's not this rare thing. People really do believe it

They have to give the Metro away, no-one would buy it

Even on the Metro the comments are often entirely reality-based.

Not twatter again ...

It's used to line the cat's litter tray in our house

No evidence as in an article but have been argued with online a year or so ago from someone saying that trans women require cervical screenings because they do have a cervix..

Like those who, having self ID'd who sit around waiting for their periods to start.
Thicker than lead...

The reddit trans subs are good to look for examples of this insanity. One TW claimed that since taking hormones that their hips had rotated. Don't forget about their "periods".

Only about 3% of 'trans' identyifing males go through surgery. They don't have prostate removed and will need prostate screening.

From Cancer Research UK-
Trans women do not have a cervix, so don't need to consider cervical screening. Trans women who have had a vaginoplasty, which is a type of genital reconstructive surgery, the term 'neo-cervix' is sometimes used to describe the tissue at the deepest part of the vagina.6 Feb 2024

The whole thing about holding any radical belief that is not demonstrably true by science (and common observation) is that most people will take one belief and then build on it, expanding it to other connected beliefs that 'logically' must also be true, if you already assume that the first one had been true.

I'm not talking about people who do realise the difference between sex (wholly unchangeable and set at birth) and gender (now commonly understood to relate to personal feelings and choice of identity).

If somebody told you they were a die-hard Everton fan, you would accept that at face value and acknowledge their every right to identify that way, and act accordingly: go to every single game, wear an Everton kit at every possible opportunity, paint their whole house blue, constantly sing the songs and talk about the players and scores etc. (although you would have the equal right to actively ignore/avoid them if you found this tedious). BUT if they then claimed that being an Everton fan was irreversibly coded into their genes and thus was a scientific fact and totally beyond their own control, and that you too must affirm this incontrovertible 'fact', unless you are hate them... this is where you would have extremely good evidential grounds to suspect that their grasp on reality was somewhat awry.

It would be stranger if somebody passionately started on the bottom rung of their 'ladder' of a very controversial area of belief - which they have every right to do so, as long as they understand that other people do not necessarily share that belief and do not seek to force or compel others to share the belief, nor to take away their basic human rights in order to add them on to their own - and then didn't keep on climbing that 'belief ladder' to ever higher heights.

Interestingly the Metro article person is saying they 'partly' changed their sex and talks more about 'sexual characteristics' (presumably meaning secondary sexual characteristics). Conflating of course the fact that women have breasts because of their DNA, whereas TW have breasts because of implants.
So the issue is as always one of language. Very few TRAs will outright say 'I have changed my sex'. Instead they will try to make people think they have by saying 'I am a woman',the inference being that they therefore must have changed sex. Then when they're asked:'What is a woman if it isn't a sex class', their response starts waffling about gender or feelings or identity.

Just to be clear, I shared the metro article because I'm assuming that OP is looking for people claiming that trans people claim to change sex, not the actual evidence that they do as that obviously doesn't exist.

I think a very large part of this - and not one that I'm at all convinced has arisen accidentally - is the confusion that is widespread between 'sex' and 'gender'.

It seems that the same people will sometimes concede that they are not the same thing when it suits them to get a foot in the door, but then later claim that they are de facto the same thing when that serves their later arguments and justifications.

@HoneyWogan yes it always seems to come down to playing with language, if it's not shouting insults or claiming that we're literal murderers.
@InvisibleBuffy Yes I know - sorry if I made it sound like I thought otherwise! I was really interested to see that article and then had a wry eyebrow-raise at the actual wording!

genuinely wish I had never read this.

A whole article where someone who wasn’t born with the disadvantages of being a woman tells women that then feeling discriminated against doesn’t meeean they are discriminated against.

why do they want to be us when they don’t care about us?!

If transwomen were biologically female they would be women, not transwomen, because that’s the way it works. But transwomen are biologically male, so they are men.

If you click on Ugla’s contributions to the Metro it seems that Ugla is very much a one trick pony when it comes to journalism.

It's almost as if they want the best of both worlds, whenever it suits them...

Ugla is one of "Fox and Owl" who are pretty much the definition of "spicy straight" ie a heterosexual couple with gender identities. Ugla is Icelandic and I think it means owl, hence the name.