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Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

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Imnobody4 · 07/03/2024 12:25

This is an important conversation to have #Hollyoaks

https://twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1765511265076613611?t=DMjXSrOUX7zq5tzRgsRGEA&s=19

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itsfinallytime · 07/03/2024 16:36

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/03/2024 16:33

This ideology is bizarre to me.

I know me too, imagine thinking it is ever the right choice to castrate a boy who has gender confusion.

Grim.

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:36

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:33

Edited

They certainly don't seem to have troubled the media, outside of the usual suspects.

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:36

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 16:34

Have you read them?

There is an awful lot to read, so not all of them, but that article helps explain why they don't say what the far-right editorialiser says they say.

Peskysquirrel · 07/03/2024 16:35

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:24

It was bad writing (I mean, Hollyoaks) but, she said the child needed to stop truanting and tell mum before doing anything else. So, the opposite of "don't tell your parents." She then went straight home and told her parents.

What did the parents say? I hope you watched it so I don't have to 😄

Glad to see you correctly sexed this child, btw

Mollyollydolly · 07/03/2024 16:34

I assume complaints should be aimed at Ofcom?

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 16:34

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:33

Edited

Have you read them?

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:31

There is no boy in the clip. That fictional girl may have a double mastectomy. Most girls don't have more than that, but some do. There is also an adult male in the clip.

If a double mastectomy is what he decides to do, I hope that the surgery is available at the appropriate time without him being subject to the distress of a long waiting list.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2024 16:33

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 14:08

https://twitter.com/Hollyoaks/status/1765459332735373754

Oh, dear. Hollyoaks are getting questioned because the actor playing Rose may not actually be trans. The humanity!

Anyone would think they didn't know what "acting" is.

This is as creepy as hell . . . and TBH as that young actress's parents, I would not have wanted my child touched by "Kitty" even on her shoulders, even as part of the role, even while being chaperoned by an entire production crew. It just sends the wrong message to my jaundiced eye.

I'm not saying "Kitty" or the person who plays "Kitty" is in any way untoward or in any way a danger in themselves - but the scene is normalising a boundary being crossed that shouldn't be.

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/03/2024 16:33

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:31

I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't comment on that. I would imagine generally not but maybe in some cases, depending on the specifics of the case.

This ideology is bizarre to me.

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:33

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 16:24

The WPATH leaks are a nothing burger.

https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/wpath-nothingburger-waste-of-time

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:31

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/03/2024 16:29

So are you saying you think that operations on the genitals of minors are wrong outside of a medical crisis?

I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't comment on that. I would imagine generally not but maybe in some cases, depending on the specifics of the case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:31

There is no boy in the clip. That fictional girl may have a double mastectomy. Most girls don't have more than that, but some do. There is also an adult male in the clip.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:29

WPATH is an international organisation.

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:29

There is no suggestion that the boy in the clip will have surgery before the age of 18.

StephanieSuperpowers · 07/03/2024 16:29

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:28

This is in America.

So are you saying you think that operations on the genitals of minors are wrong outside of a medical crisis?

BackCats · 07/03/2024 16:28

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:26

There are instances of bad practice in all areas of medicine.

I think you are confusing ideology/religion/magical thinking with medicine.

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:28

This is in America.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:28

Susie Green's son, famously, as well.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:27

A post on that thread

Dr Christine McGinn who has performed “about 20” vaginoplasties on males under the age of 18.

https://drchristinemcginn.com/drmcginn/

But surgery never happens on minors…

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:26

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 16:24

There are instances of bad practice in all areas of medicine.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 16:24

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:18

It's really not. Trans children are really under threat these days, possibly being prevented from accessing healthcare, social transitioning, maybe not even allowed to use the correct pronouns at school. With the current anti trans moral panic I'm glad that Hollyoaks have the courage to run with this, and hope some trans children are helped by it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5021764-wpath-leaks?page=1

Here is a great place to start today.

WPATH leaks | Mumsnet

There are a number of articles appearing on Twitter about some leaked files from WPATH. The impending scandal is taking far too long to break, but the...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5021764-wpath-leaks?page=1

DadJoke · 07/03/2024 16:24

It was bad writing (I mean, Hollyoaks) but, she said the child needed to stop truanting and tell mum before doing anything else. So, the opposite of "don't tell your parents." She then went straight home and told her parents.

itsfinallytime · 07/03/2024 16:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:19

I'm not sure anyone should be enabling the merail yet again.

Yes your right.

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 16:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 16:16

@ArabellaScott

Goodness and I thought it was just us tiny few in this particular corner of the forum who were "transphobes"? 

No, I think there are lots of transphobes out there but most of them were quite casually so, offensive jokes and the like, until there was a deliberate campaign to stir up a moral panic. I also think it will die down in time. As more trans, NB and gender non conforming people come out, and people realise they have nothing to fear, attitudes will soften.

I'd be surprised if, in 20 years time, many gender critical feminists will admit that they were one, once. It will be more convenient to forget.

itsfinallytime · 07/03/2024 16:23

ForCoralFox · 07/03/2024 14:43

She's not grooming him, she's supporting him.

It's really brave for Hollyoaks to do this in the current climate and I hope it has a positive impact on trans children.

I almost hope that Hollyoaks has realised what the truth of this situation is and are showing this deliberately so adults will see how fucking obscene it is for a grown man to groom a young girl in this way. It is hard to believe that anyone could have acted or filmed that and not realise it is grooming.

It is in plain sight.

Hopefully the media will also take up the horror show of the WPATH files and people will start joining the dots.

One day the shit will really hit the fan and people like you will have no choice but to see the reality of the harms you advocate for.

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