Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

I'd suggest re reading the WPATH report again. Thoroughly.

Yes, absolutely, there are times and situations in which the answer to desired medical treatment should be no. Feelings do not cancel out facts or reality, and responsibility comes above personal choice and desire.

She's not making the decision, is she? She's expressing her opinion, like you and Dadjoke are.

Ffs, is there anyone at this point who isn't supposed to be in bed with the far right?

Is safeguarding and basic sanity now the territory of the political right? Seriously?

I don't make other people's medical decisions for them, and neither should you.

So, have you ever had a radical mastectomy?

Do you understand that it can be life limiting and that there should be other options of care other than surgical? And you have just breezily dismissed that fact for a vulnerable female patient.

That's not for you to decide. And we're talking about trans men here.

Reminds me of Mermaids identifying as not having (how many was it? 5?) multiple concurrent safeguarding disasters.

It hasn't made them go away. These issues are not going away. WPATH's evidence matches Cass's, matches the whistleblowers from the Tavistock, the increasing concerns from multiple countries. We're talking about children ffs.

Gosh.... there it is ..... far right editorialiser.

Very easy to dismiss something with a hand wave of 'far right' rather than actually engage with the substance isn't it? It doesn't make you look righteous though. It just shows that you seem to have no ability to critically evaluate original information for yourself.

A bit like you coming onto a male lactation thread and telling us that there is nothing to discuss, when YOU had not even done the basic bit of research yourself.

Safeguarding isn't just about sexual stuff you know.

That child in that clip looks like she was being groomed by the adult.

I was groomed as a child and nothing you could ever say would make me see that clip as anything different.

It's horrifying. And if you changed the story line to a grown man doing that scene as a man with a 12 year old girl you'd see it.

You are blinded to the truth by your faith in gender ideology

Unless she has cancer and it is indicated as a treatment, no woman needs a radical double mastectomy.

It's despicable to say that's a nothing burger.

Well yes. But that's understandable given how amoral and despicable many of these people are.

And I mean, have you read the report. Or are you just here regurgitating that article. Which firstly states that well, it is no big deal because that could be any one on there commenting?

So, tell us Dadjoke, if those posts were proven to be from bonafide clinicians and the anonymity removed, would you be concerned then?

And then that article you have posted has done nothing to provide evidence to disprove the report? It simply actively dismisses the report.

For instance, even if the transcript that this article dismisses as a mere discussion about when consent process had 'broken down', does this not raise alarm bells with you that leading practitioners are having these issues and are noting just a few of them in that discussion that this is potentially a major issue. That if those x number of practitioners are noting x number of issues, that is x number of patients that have received a very low standard of care? And you are here dismissing the outcomes for those x patients and the many more that are potentially out there.... why?

Why are you dismissing these children and vulnerable adults?

This article fails to get to the heart of the issue. Those practitioners were not 'using this as a teaching aid', they were discussing that SOME of their patients are incapable of consenting. Yet they went ahead anyway.

Do you see the significance of the report yet? I suggest you actually spend the time to read it all if you have not done so.

I said I hoped that it would happen at the appropriate time, if that's what he needs.

DadJoke · Today 16:33

The WPATH leaks are a nothing burger.

You couldn't be more wrong, the leaks are horrifying admissions of breaches of ethics and doctors continuing damaging "treatments," despite knowing exactly what harm they are doing.

Admitting to sterlilising children, who are too young to understand the implications, knowing that they're too young to understand.

It's despicable to say that's a nothing burger.

Absolutely @Froodwithatowel

Oh my goodness. When did we get into this ridiculous position that only boys can have short hair, and that cutting off long hair into a medium bob is some deeply significant move towards a "masculine" appearance? And that the reaction from parents is to assume that she's been bullied or someone has done it to her?? Rather than, "nice haircut, love".

I swear that at some point in the late 90s there was a moment in time when anyone could look any how they wanted and it was not a signifier of anything meaningful about your personality or your physical sex.

Certainly not something any sane, rational adult with any basic care for children would encourage them towards, never mind hope for it to happen at speed. The leaks from WPATH make it clear how little conscience or child-centred thinking has been allowed to get in the way of politics and personal desires.

😱😳 that gave me the ick.

Right. Catheters, numbness, pain, incontinence, disfigurement, scarring causing restricted movement, repeated infections, bone loss, heart disease, etc… What a needlessly awful way to live.

Well, I would apologise for getting the pronouns wrong, but fictional character.

I can do better than tell you:

https://twitter.com/Hollyoaks/status/1765459332735373754

What we don't get is their reaction, but I am not willing to watch any more.

Then we get a bunch of idiot responders confusing "I am a boy because I have short hair" with "I've cut my hair short because I am a boy."

Accepting someone's identity and supporting their transition is not callous.

Have you read them?

Big lolz at Dadjoke's "source". Whether TRAs call them a "nothingburger", they are, like this Hollyoaks scene, quite shocking to people not buried deep in genderism.

A little less exhausting than a life of continuous medication, surgical mutilations and the serious health fall out from that. The callousness of your approach towards a confused young person is noted.

Hands on shoulders? Are you actually serious?

He's read that. It's why he used exactly the same terminology.