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London Bridge railway station political gender flags - how to complain

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fromorbit · 29/01/2024 10:10

There is a lot of concern on twitter over a set of flag illustrations on a pillar at London Bridge Station.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/stories/london-bridge-station-celebrates-lgbt-history-month/

Sex Matters have now issued a formal complaint to the authorities about it see letter below.

We have written to Andrew Haines @networkrail and @LordPeterHendy about the intimidating political display at London Bridge station

You can make a complaint here https://communications-crm.custhelp.com/app/ask?var=complaint

This has resulted in the discovery that Shane Andrews, Network rail’s LGBT+ lead, who is also a scout leader (and a trustee of the Scouts), an independent police custody inspector, a school governor - used abusive sexist/homophobe slang all over his social media. He went on a huge deleting spree, but copies of his tweets are being shared widely.
https://twitter.com/obsolete__units/status/1751554910577930591

https://twitter.com/Sptme1/status/1751606559434514831

London Bridge railway station political gender flags - how to complain
London Bridge railway station political gender flags - how to complain
London Bridge railway station political gender flags - how to complain
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TempleOfBloom · 30/01/2024 07:11

duc748 · 29/01/2024 17:58

Yes. I think it’s very inclusive of Network Rail to make their trains so delayed that two demisexuals have enough time onboard to form an emotional bond with each other and can therefore go at it like rabbits upon disembarkation. #inclusivity #diversion

Things have certainly changed since Brief Encounter.

😂😂😂

hellsBells246 · 29/01/2024 23:55

Yup.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2024 23:04

hellsBells246 · 29/01/2024 18:50

That's always what I wonder. They must be able to pretend to be normal for a short period of time...

Or the people employing them are just as bad.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2024 21:42

This tickled me!

London Bridge railway station political gender flags - how to complain
FrancescaContini · 29/01/2024 21:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2024 20:26

The wonderful Mole on twitter has produced this:

https://twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1751946330933485845

This is brilliant

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/01/2024 20:58

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 29/01/2024 18:31

The black-and-white striped one with a rainbow capital A on is the... straight ally flag. People who support gay and bisexual rights, although they aren't same-sex attracted themselves.

I did not realise straight people were excluded from train services, did you?

It's probably not worth putting on a train for us - there seems to be so few of us about these days . . .

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/01/2024 20:54

BoreOfWhabylon · 29/01/2024 16:55

Insult to fecking injury!

Notaflippinclue · 29/01/2024 20:35

Who goes there they're always on strike! Maybe a few KJK stickers would help. Camping with lil boys, surreptitious pics of men, what's going on

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2024 20:26

The wonderful Mole on twitter has produced this:

https://twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1751946330933485845

https://twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1751946330933485845

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 29/01/2024 19:12

PaulaJGriffin65 · 29/01/2024 18:30

This is for LGBTQI+ History Month. Not sure what a suffragette flag has to do with that? If there’s not one there for Women’s History Month in March then surely you’ll have a valid complaint.

Hahahaha of course there won’t be! No brownie points whatsoever in showing support for women & I guarantee whatever thing they do for IWD will include TW ie men somewhere prominent

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/01/2024 19:08

PaulaJGriffin65 · 29/01/2024 18:30

This is for LGBTQI+ History Month. Not sure what a suffragette flag has to do with that? If there’s not one there for Women’s History Month in March then surely you’ll have a valid complaint.

Can you please explain what is the common thread linking letters in that acronym?

Lesbian - woman sexually attracted only to women
Gay - man sexually attracted only to men
Bisexual - people sexually attracted to both sexes

Thus far, we can all see what those groups have in common. Sexual orientation. All over the world and all through history people in all three groups have at times faced prejudice, been discriminated against and experienced violence for their sexual orientation. They banded together decades ago to try to change social attitudes and laws, with great success, fortunately. If Network Rail wanted to put up a poster or something to say LGB people are welcome to use the rail network or work in it and shouldn't face homophobia, that would be fine. I'd hope they'd then move on to other minority or disadvantages groups in due course.

Then we move on to T for trans, Q for queer or questioning, and I for intersex. Intersex is an outdated term for people with various medical conditions which those affected have asked to be referred to as disorders of sexual development (DSDs) instead. Q seems often to indicate people who are heterosexual or sometimes bisexual. Trans is to do with gender identity, not sexual orientation. So what brings them all together? What's the + for? Why does someone who doesn't want to be monogamous or someone who prefers not to have sex with strangers included in this group at all?

hellsBells246 · 29/01/2024 18:50

PronounssheRa · 29/01/2024 10:42

Shane Andrews twitter was an absolute mess. No wonder he deactivated, but christ how so these men get into the positions they do.

That's always what I wonder. They must be able to pretend to be normal for a short period of time...

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 29/01/2024 18:31

The black-and-white striped one with a rainbow capital A on is the... straight ally flag. People who support gay and bisexual rights, although they aren't same-sex attracted themselves.

I did not realise straight people were excluded from train services, did you?

PaulaJGriffin65 · 29/01/2024 18:30

This is for LGBTQI+ History Month. Not sure what a suffragette flag has to do with that? If there’s not one there for Women’s History Month in March then surely you’ll have a valid complaint.

EdithStourton · 29/01/2024 18:25

Talkinpeace · 29/01/2024 17:11

Network Rail do not have the resources to put in level access
or mend the lifts and escalators at stations
to help the 21% of the population who are disabled
but they have the resources to throw paint at a pillar.

And I know for a fact (because I remember a disabled friend of mine spending a several Sunday afternoons typing outraged letters) that the atrocious access to the railways as been an issue since at least 1985...

duc748 · 29/01/2024 17:58

Yes. I think it’s very inclusive of Network Rail to make their trains so delayed that two demisexuals have enough time onboard to form an emotional bond with each other and can therefore go at it like rabbits upon disembarkation. #inclusivity #diversion

Things have certainly changed since Brief Encounter.

Yesnosorryplease · 29/01/2024 17:52

I'm really not sure how on board I am with making out that having an emotional or romantic connection with someone before shagging them is so out of the norm that it needs a flag and amplified visibility.

I know some people shag in the absence of any getting to know each other first but they are the minority group. What's their flag?

I'm so far from being a prude. I'm very happy to have open and honest conversations with my DC (who have close family members who are LGB) but I'm not actually up for them being taught that having a connection with someone prior to having sex with them is weird.

WaterHound · 29/01/2024 17:47

I would love to say that all of this surprises me but...🙄

afternoonoflife · 29/01/2024 17:34

So the polyamorous (people who have multiple sexual relationships simultaneously) and demisexuals (people who only feel sexual attraction to people they have an emotional bond with) are officially included as TQ+ now?

Yes. I think it’s very inclusive of Network Rail to make their trains so delayed that two demisexuals have enough time onboard to form an emotional bond with each other and can therefore go at it like rabbits upon disembarkation. #inclusivity #diversion

ExitRamp · 29/01/2024 17:29

Yeah, you can be sure a policy or ideology doesn't change anything when Wall St firms are encouraging it.

PronounssheRa · 29/01/2024 17:28

Talkinpeace · 29/01/2024 17:11

Network Rail do not have the resources to put in level access
or mend the lifts and escalators at stations
to help the 21% of the population who are disabled
but they have the resources to throw paint at a pillar.

That is what diversity and inclusion has become. It's all about rainbows and lanyards because it's easy.

Actual inclusion, for example making trains and stations accessible is harder, costlier and just not as much fun.

Yesnosorryplease · 29/01/2024 17:27

AyrshireTryer · 29/01/2024 15:32

erm...really. Nobody? You sure now?

Are you totally fine with LGBT people always been associated with polyamory?!

I personally would find that offensive. Being same sex attracted does not mean anything other than that. I would be annoyed that those bits of the 1980s have come along and are seemingly being elevated and championed by inclusion groups meant to represent lgb people.

Talkinpeace · 29/01/2024 17:11

Network Rail do not have the resources to put in level access
or mend the lifts and escalators at stations
to help the 21% of the population who are disabled
but they have the resources to throw paint at a pillar.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2024 17:10

eurochick · 29/01/2024 16:58

I travel through London Bridge regularly and would be up for wrapping that pillar jn a giant suffragette flag.

Just not this week because the utter twatbadgers are on strike again this week so I can't get there. 🙄

I reckon if two people went at the pillar with a big enough flag - one either side - you could get the flag tied on and disappear before anyone knew it was happening….

LakeTiticaca · 29/01/2024 17:09

Maybe Network rail should pay a little more attention to actually running a rail service. Half the time they are on bloody strike