Non Binary Teachers

@Perfect28 you know as well as I do that he meant two biological sexes, even if he believes in stereotypes. "Gender" is the prissy synonym for sex, for non gender identity believers.

It is a narcissitic manipulation by an adult of a powerless child, in order to validate the teacher's self image, and as well as a contentious theory.

Gender is a theoretical concept - which is/can be validated through social acceptance and approval. Without social acceptance it is mere theory.

Hope you found the links useful? That's just the tip of the iceberg. Thought you might be interested in hearing the words of a teenager about how they see gender indoctrination in schools:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/gender-indoctrination-schools-teenage-girls-testimony/

And the words of a teacher:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/ideology-in-schools/

Children ask questions, though, such as "Why"? And this would then lead to a necessary explanation of the whole ideology and why that teacher ( responsible adult) is subsumed by it. You cannot just say to children " Because they want you to and that's that"

Of course, and I've made no comment on the schools actions.

What on earth do you mean I don't 'believe' in gender? Gender is a social construct, as you've said. I agree with you on that. Gender is virtually infinite - some would call it 'personality'.

And no, I'm not supporting the lad concerned's view, I'm saying that it is outrageous that he was disciplined for politely stating his view. Do you understand that it's possible to disagree without needing to try and get someone sacked/expelled/disciplined/cancelled?

You could take a look at the Brighton & Hove trans toolkit implemented in countless schools (and beloved by transactivists). The Cornwall guidelines are the least extreme of the lot and look what happened there:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4640421-dfe-settles-in-cornwall-cases.
Take a look at the Stonewall Diversity champion guidance for schools?
https://www.transgendertrend.com/stonewall-school-champion/

Ofsted until recently were Stonewall Diversity champions pushing teaching gender identity issues until they were outed for being under pressure from Stonewall for not talking to primary children enough about gender identity. Ofsted reverse ferreted and now don't mention Stonewall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/18/ofsted-cites-lack-gender-identity-lessons-factor-primary-school/

The DfE funding of trans lobby groups to work in schools is eye watering. As this shows, women on here have been discussing this for many years
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/3154752-Trans-extremism-schools

Yesterday's outing of independent boarding schools with policies about children sharing dormitories / bedrooms with the opposite sex:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4992346-choose-your-dorm-according-to-gender

This is all evidence of the impact of trans groups on schools and how they encourage teachers to promote an adult ideology lacking in a scientific factual base to children.

If you want more personal accounts, this board has been host to countless accounts from desperate teachers and frightened parents sharing how their child has been transitioned in secret from them.

Safe Schools Alliance is an additional place to research if this is the first time you've become aware of what's happening:

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

There's much more evidence out there sadly

In the clip, the boy was removed from the class and reprimanded for stating there were two genders. I'm not talking about his subsequent exclusion.

Teachers should be really pleased when children have all kinds of different views eg vote Tory as I do or Labour as a lot of teachers do. The should be penalising pupils who have a different view and in particular not penalise pupils who state facts rather than state Stonewall type views that are unproven.
This case about a teacher is appalling and I hope he wins his litigation

"Lister v. Disclosure and Barring Service Misgendering case

A teacher is suing the Government after he was banned from working with children for 'misgendering' a student. Kevin Lister lost his job a further education college last year after refusing to refer to a 17-year-old female student by a male name and pronouns without gaining the parents' permission. The maths teacher was then informed in December that he was being placed on the 'Children's Barred List' by the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) - the Home Office body responsible for carrying out criminal record checks - because he had engaged in conduct that had 'endangered a child'. The decision came on the same the day the Government issued its long-awaited transgender guidance for schools (see item above this one).

However, Mr Lister was told by the DBS that their ruling was based on his refusal to call his student by her preferred male name, pointing to her instead of using this name and expressing his gender critical beliefs to her. As a result of this behaviour the authority concluded that he had caused 'distress' and 'emotional harm' to the young person.

Mr Lister branded this claim as 'absurd' and lodged a judicial review against DBS in the High Court. His case will contend that the body has breached the Equality Act 2010 by discriminating against him on the grounds of his protected belief that a person cannot change their biological sex. He was reported as saying that he felt that the DBS decision was an attempt to 'ruin his life' and force him into early retirement. 'As a result of being placed on this list I can barely do anything,' he said. 'I certainly can't get a teaching job and won't be able to continue the voluntary work with the local athletics club as I've done for the last couple of years because they require DBS validation. Potentially I can't even go to the United States because visa applications get reviewed against any barring list. So it's an astonishingly draconian decision putting me in the same category as a paedophile. They say I'm a danger to children, but this is absolutely absurd when I put my students' safety as my number one priority. If you can't say something to a student because you might upset them, then by that logic you can't tell a student to 'work harder' if they score a bad mark in a test.'
Mr Lister further explained that he was bringing the legal action in the hope of ensuring other teachers who hold similar gender-critical beliefs are not subjected to the same 'disproportionate' punishment. He added: 'To enforce teachers to support a child's fantasy that they are the opposite sex and then you fire them and ban them from working with children in the future is something that you would imagine only happening in Stalin's Russia.'
The judicial review is shortly be launched as in January 2024 a pre-action letter was issued. Mr Lister is represented by barrister Anna Loutfi.
A DBS spokeswoman said: 'Educational settings implement their own safeguarding policies and are responsible for ensuring that all employees are committed to supporting the wellbeing of pupils and students. When people fail to or indicate that they will not comply with these policies, there is a legal duty to refer for barring investigations. The Disclosure and Barring Service is responsible for making fair, thorough and consistent decisions when a person is referred to barring. The decision to bar an individual is taken if there is evidence that the person has engaged in conduct that has harmed a child or adult or put them at risk of harm, and where there is a risk of recurrence. This is not strictly limited to physical harm but also psychological harm.'

See the clip I posted up thread. The boy was disciplined for stating there were two genders

The boy was disciplined for secretly videoing his teacher and putting it on social media

@ArabellaScott You are supporting him insisting there are only two genders when in fact you don't believe in gender, only sex?

*Always worth remembering- The daily mail is not a reliable source.

The idea students are wrong on this is problematic

Biology is fact based and I don’t see how anyone should be made to feel they’ve messed up

Well, we are in a pickle now, aren't we? The Scottish goverment says sex and gender are interchangeable terms.

See the clip I posted up thread. The boy was disciplined for stating there were two genders.

I don’t believe that calling a teacher a gender-neutral name is a safeguarding issue. Otherwise it wouldn’t be permitted by the DSL at our school.

DSLs are not infallible. If your DSL is anything like ours, he/she is probably scared shitless of upsetting your NB colleague.

Idk if you are male or female but if they use Sir and you are male it’s not wrong

@MrsOvertonsWindow where is your evidence that this is happening? Seriously are you able to present any at all?

@Ereshkigalangcleg what is your point? Many young people get embarrassed at the thought of getting things wrong or drawing attention to themselves, much in the same way they do when they say 'mum' or 'dad' by accident. I don't care if they call me miss (incorrect) Mrs, sir, or my surname. Heck I don't really care what they call me as long as they are polite 😌

which usually embarrasses them

Why does it embarrass them if it is a sex based term?

Adults in schools who tell children that TWAW and promote (on behalf of Stonewall etc) that sex change is possible are doing that yes.
Pretending that some people don't have a sex is not true.
Telling children that there's no physical differences between the sexes so males can participate in female sports is a lie.
Telling a little boy that he's really a girl ( and vice versa) is a lie.
I could go on with countless other examples of how we're lying to children about all this.

Of course I was being hyperbolic and know that most teachers don't believe this or promote it. But I'm exasperated and disappointed at how many adults in schools have allowed themselves to be silenced. Watching in silence (and I understand fear) while children are serially lied to - sometimes with tiny lies and sometimes with big lies.

This is an untested social experiment that's being done to children by adults who should know better and for the most vulnerable children, it will ruin their lives

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

@ArabellaScott and the daily mail article you posted refers to 'more than two genders' (not sexes) - which there are, because gender is a social construct.

@ArabellaScott no school is doing that. Prove to me otherwise.

@BBonfireLady on the contrary, I say that I don't care what they call me to reassure them when they accidentally call me sir, which usually embarrasses them almost as much as when they say mum.

Also, just because a term is misused and misunderstood, it doesn't mean you have to also change your language. Non binary refers to non gender binary. As you say, most 'gender critical' people would agree. Circling back to my main point which is- this is a non issue.

If staff members are actually doing any of the things described in the OP, then a formal complaint should be raised.

I think people need to be a little more discerning.

Yes to this