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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 17:15

Woo hoo!

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1749479542693957898?s=19

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
DerekFaker · 22/01/2024 17:15

Just an FYI, and I have posted this on the dedicated thread, but Jo Phoenix has won her tribunal

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1749479542693957898?t=Ze3O1BNVz83OIyp6s3500w&s=19

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
LarkLane · 22/01/2024 15:36

NC is pure gold. I salute her! What a woman.

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 15:23

Signalbox · 22/01/2024 15:04

ERCC is stuffed isn't it?

If not, what would it take?

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:15

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/01/2024 15:13

I'm in!

Then come join us on thread three

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/01/2024 15:13

I'm in!

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 15:07

NC as far as you are concerned, anyone who says they are a woman is a woman. With the possible exemption of DH. [that's the respondent's barrister, not anyone's husband btw]

[It was very funny.]

[Questioning KT is like interviewing porridge.]

Signalbox · 22/01/2024 15:07

Any one who says they are a woman is a woman with the possible exception of Mr Haye 😂I wonder how Mr Haye feels about his recent transition.

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Appalonia · 22/01/2024 15:06

Need new thread!

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:06

For employment we would need someone's passport says witness

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:05

I think witness just said they wouldn't employ a man with a male passport saying they were NB

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 15:04

Refused to answer qs about staff's biological sex

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:04

Signalbox · 22/01/2024 15:04

ERCC is stuffed isn't it?

They had better be

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 15:04

KT refusing to answer qs about staff's bio sex

Signalbox · 22/01/2024 15:04

ERCC is stuffed isn't it?

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:04

A B is biologically female yes?. I'm not going to commentB

You don't accept that is relevant do you? No.

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nauticant · 22/01/2024 15:04

What's happening here is the NC is saying all the things that one just cannot say in a polite society. I wonder what the panel are making of this.

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Appalonia · 22/01/2024 15:03

Self evident that a rape victim wd be traumatised being counselled by Eddie Izzard!!!

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 15:03

AB misnamed again.

NC: reads su email - 'is AB a man or a woman. I would feel v uncomfortable talking to a man'. Do you agree this su is asking c sex not gi

KT don't agree. Asking c gender means they are asking c gender.

NC do you agree people use sex and gender interchangeably

KT it's possible, yes.

NC it's possible that su wants to be assured that AB is bio female.

NC Isn't it unlikely that su, who's suffered rape/sex assault, it more likely asking if sw is bio male or female.

KT I think the su doesn't want to speak to a man

NC do you think it's likely if the su turns up and finds someone ready to speak to her, looking like DH but wearing women's clothes - she might be upset

KT I don't know

NC Is Eddie Izzard a man or a woman

KT I think they are gender fluid.

NC Let's say EI is gender fluid and is in girl mode on a specific day and the raped su turns up for counselling is going to be traumatised.

KT not necessarily the case

NC sighs

pronounsbundlebundle · 22/01/2024 15:03

She is really really close to just saying 'yes, the traumatised rape victim counts less than the man'.

NC is making her show that is what she really thinks and how ERCC acts.

They are happy for rape survivors to be harmed.

They are offering up rape victims to be abused without their consent.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 15:02

if I'd just been raped and walked into a woman led support group or meeting and discovered it was a bloke pretending to be a woman I'd been fucking furious.

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 15:02

Is Eddie Izzard a man it's a woman?!

He's gender fluid

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