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We come together not because we may identify as women; rather, we come together because we believe that we can only be free and live better lives with the end of capitalism, white supremacy, Western empire, and patriarchy. - Feminist Library

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IwantToRetire · 16/10/2023 18:40

We write this statement in the spirit of radical feminist collectives that have come before us such as OWAAD and the BWG, who took firm stances against apartheid and settler colonialism in South Africa and Palestine and were founded on the principle of transnational solidarity. Our solidarity is based on political and ethical principles that exceed gender. Sara Salem writes “We come together not because we may identify as women; rather, we come together because we believe that we can only be free and live better lives with the end of capitalism, white supremacy, Western empire, and patriarchy.” Transnational feminist practice requires us to analyse how people in different geographical spaces are subject to unequal power relations and ensure that every person has access to dignified life regardless of the borders that separate us.

https://feministlibrary.co.uk/statement-of-solidarity-with-palestine/

I'm posting this not to comment on the situation between Israel and Gaza (although realise some might want to) but because it seems another example of groups originally established on the basis on the oppression of women as a sex classhaving been colonised (to use their language) by women who see it as a platform to advance their personal politics.

Similar to this supposed manifesto to lobby MPs about women's rights posted here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4900356-vawg-is-a-gendered-issue-which-is-deeply-rooted-in-societal-inequality-it-is-violence-that-is-directed-against-a-woman-because-she-is-a-woman-or-that-affects-women-disproportionately

Large gatherings like FiLia might be satisfying to attend, but if groups set up to support women are being occupied by women who dont see the oppression of women as being directly because of their sex, it means we are even further away from putting feminism into action.

ie what is the point of theory if there is no practice of it.

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IwantToRetire · 16/10/2023 20:11

The feminist library is building something and they can define their community how they like.

The Feminist Library was created and only has the archive material it has because it was formed from and came out of the Women's Liberation Movement.

Its importance is because of that and its "assets" are the collections that women willingly gave on the basis that they were creating a shared memory and history.

The group that is now pontificating about something totally other, are just the custodians of that shared contribution.

And as some may know, the reason they got hold of this was because of extreme bullying and public humiliation of some of the older women who had kept the collection together through some really grim economic times.

And apart from that disgusting and unsisterly behaviour, they then spat in the face of those who had provided their asset ie the personal papers of women activists, who had donated them on the basis that they would only be made available to other women. And no it didn't need to be defined what a woman is, because at the time of its creation and the activism it was set up to preserve everyone knew what a woman is, because the basis of women's liberation was to organise against the sex class opprese of women by the male sex class.

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RedCrossSupporter · 16/10/2023 19:55

we come together because we believe that we can only be free and live better lives with the end of capitalism, white supremacy, Western empire, and patriarchy

I can get behind that 👆
Capitalism isn’t all bad, depends how much of a free marketer you are but the type of capitalism I am envisioning is more Nordic model in terms of public goods.
Western Empire doesn’t exist, only the Romans had a western empire…for a bit…

VWdieselnightmare · 16/10/2023 19:47

fearfuloffluff · 16/10/2023 18:55

Sorry op, not buying that.

The feminist library is building something and they can define their community how they like.

Well, a man can define himself as a woman but rational women say bollocks to that.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 16/10/2023 19:45

because we believe that we can only be free and live better lives with the end of capitalism, white supremacy, Western empire, and patriarchy

Can't wait to see how that works out. Not least because what is going to go in their place?

And what's the definition of a 'free and better life'? a few definitions of what you mean by the above would help.

IwantToRetire · 16/10/2023 19:45

It just seems to be a trend now that women's groups who say they speak for women because they provide a women's service, very rarely make any statements relating to the purpose of the group, eg male violence.

But on the slightest excuse issue statements about for instance the Met Police, the Tories, etc..

It's not that I dont think women are entitled to have their own politics, but it is the high jacking of the platform that they have by being an employee or volunteer of a women's groups.

If any other voluntary or charity group about says animals or vegetarianism, issued statements like this there would be questions about the management of the group and their charitable status.

But worse, it implies that these women's politics are in fact not that important to them, because if they were they would as individuals irrespective of where they are employed, form a voluntary group or campaign to organise around that issue. For instance WPUK, Sex Matters and so on, were set up be women who didn't think lets just issue a statement from were I work, but in their on time formed groups to work together. Why cant these women?

Apart from apparently not being committed to the aims of the women's groups they work for, it is actually unethical.

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Tinysoxxx · 16/10/2023 19:32

Reported my own post as I was too hasty and didn’t read the link properly.

JellySaurus · 16/10/2023 19:32

What's all that word salad got to do with feminism?

Tinysoxxx · 16/10/2023 19:22

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PorcelinaV · 16/10/2023 19:20

If they can run the experiment of their ideal society somewhere else, it would be great to see the results.

VWdieselnightmare · 16/10/2023 19:13

Sara Salem writes “We come together not because we may identify as women;

Not sure what to make of that. Does it mean you may (or may not) identify as a woman = you don't even have to identify as, let alone be a woman to come together and call for the end of capitalism, patriarchy etc?

fearfuloffluff · 16/10/2023 18:55

Sorry op, not buying that.

The feminist library is building something and they can define their community how they like.

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