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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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ickky · 11/10/2023 10:41

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

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Abbreviations JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C) OU - The Open University, Respondent (R) J - Regional Employment Judge Young P - Panel or panel memb...

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ickky · 12/10/2023 15:18

I think if I were Jo, every time I go to the toilet during a break, I would be doing a happy little jig. 😂

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 15:17

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:16

Oh Ben, you deserved this witness, you really did after all the tribunals.

She's the entire trans ideology crystallised into one arrogant little moo package.

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 15:17

I'm very glad I donated to Jo's crowd finder it really has been good value based just on today (with the caveat that Jo should never have been treated like this and I just want to give her a big hug)

CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 15:16

I can hardly bear to watch...

SaffronSpice · 12/10/2023 15:16

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 15:13

Bingo! It's difficult to remember (= the realisation is slowly dawning that my argument does not stand up to questioning)

Don’t worry, she will bury that realisation as soon as she is released from the witness stand. maybe write a few tweets about transphobes and the harms they do to make herself feel better.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:16

Oh Ben, you deserved this witness, you really did after all the tribunals.

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 15:15

BC I'll give you a chance to reflect which translates as I'm about to show you are lying

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:14

I'm sure this witness went into this fully believing that she is right and that will be enough. But it isn't.

SaffronSpice · 12/10/2023 15:14

Students are paying thousands to listen to this rubbish.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 12/10/2023 15:14

"A long time ago"!

I'm wondering if there was actually a briefing for witnesses

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 15:14

The J is definitely peaking in real time!

I noted her loaded 'Mmm'.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 15:13

Bingo! It's difficult to remember (= the realisation is slowly dawning that my argument does not stand up to questioning)

Froodwithatowel · 12/10/2023 15:13

Medlady · 12/10/2023 15:12

If I were an OU witness at this point, I wouldn’t be wanting a mere support twix/dog/cup. A support fall guy maybe

Yes. Send out for an ally body double willing to hurl themselves between special person and reality.

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 15:13

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 15:12

BC: I'm not going to press q when don't get clear or direct answers. Will deal with those in submissions.

I laughed a lot at that

Medlady · 12/10/2023 15:12

If I were an OU witness at this point, I wouldn’t be wanting a mere support twix/dog/cup. A support fall guy maybe

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:12

Gab - yes. But how did we get here? <rhetorical question>

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 15:12

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 15:10

I can't believe this steaming pile of shit is being paid for by UK taxes. It simply shouldn't be. The GI level of debate is arrested at a toddler level of discourse with some fancy words inserted.

Tip of the iceberg* innit?

*sometimes also a lettuce

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 15:12

BC: I'm not going to press q when don't get clear or direct answers. Will deal with those in submissions.

Froodwithatowel · 12/10/2023 15:12

I can't really explain it... I haven't got the words....<does the rest of the song and dance from Billy Elliot>

This is what happens when you outsource your thinking. Although really what she is trying to do is explain that she believes that the needs of special men should be met at the expense of everyone else and women in particular, because she's been told that's right and good, and she's trying to use the fig leaf wafflebollox she was given at the time to sell her the idea. Which never stood up in the first place if you had half a brain and the capacity for critical thought.

It is depressing how thick these academics are!

Gabcsika · 12/10/2023 15:11

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:10

Witness - she seriously has no idea how she comes across

That's what happens when you are never asked to question yourself.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 15:10

I can't believe this steaming pile of shit is being paid for by UK taxes. It simply shouldn't be. The GI level of debate is arrested at a toddler level of discourse with some fancy words inserted.

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 15:10

Witness - she seriously has no idea how she comes across

RethinkingLife · 12/10/2023 15:09

Is anyone else profoundly irritated that this isn't being openly live-streamed and recordings made available so that we can all understand the seismic shifts in culture, freedom, and thought that are prerequisites to embracing (gender) identity in a pluralistic society?

TheABC · 12/10/2023 15:09

I can't quite believe how empty the GI side is - these are fully paid up academic staff! Did Stonewall scoop out their brains during a training session?!

They never expected to be challenged over this, were they?

CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 15:09

How old is this witness? They sounds like a child. A very arrogant child. Did anyone catch JM's bit at the beginning which I think was correcting a typo to the date of birth?

Edited for pronouns.

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