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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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ickky · 11/10/2023 10:41

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2 | Mumsnet

Abbreviations JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C) OU - The Open University, Respondent (R) J - Regional Employment Judge Young P - Panel or panel memb...

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HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 16:21

@MrsDoylesCake I feel the same, wondering how much of my reaction is due to my own bias. I'm feeling dismayed and a bit sick thinking what it might have been like working there. I felt the same observing a couple of days of Allison Bailey's tribunal.

Sisterpita · 11/10/2023 16:21

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 16:14

Those paper bundles are an absolute mess. Why are there so many?

They will contain all the witness statements, copies of all the correspondence, tweets, screen shots of web pages, the grievance papers etc. essentially everything that both sides feel gives context and constitutes evidence.

Mmmnotsure · 11/10/2023 16:20

MW repeating what a stressful time it was for JP. OU suggested she stay off sm to protect herself.

So they were well aware, but they didn't do anything in public to support her.

MrsDoylesCake · 11/10/2023 16:17

Can one of the more knowledgeable legal types on here suggest any way the OU could come back from this? It feels slam dunk but I’m aware of my own bias on this topic.

HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 16:17

I love this panel member's voice

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ickky · 11/10/2023 16:16

Back on again

Panel member asking questions

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HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 16:16

Ah, thank you, back on now

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ickky · 11/10/2023 16:16

I think the judge turned if off, she did it the other day too.

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HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 16:15

I've lost sound, and see in the chat that others have too

AnnaMagnani · 11/10/2023 16:14

Just seen I know (slightly) one of the open letter signatories.

Given her research area is absolutely nothing at all to do with trans, but she does care a lot about disadvantage, is this yet another round up all the well-meaning people you know by talking about 'most vulnerable group in society'?

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 16:14

Those paper bundles are an absolute mess. Why are there so many?

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 16:13

I think that witness tried her hardest to not answer anything.

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 16:13

How can you bring both sides together when one side refuses to debate and threatens consequences if they don't get their own way

chilling19 · 11/10/2023 16:11

Ben making the point YET AGAIN that the OU appeased the group shouting the loudest. GCs need for support completely ignored. Hostile work environment confirmed again.

CriticalCondition · 11/10/2023 16:07

Haven't read that wels letter yet but the trans/disabled link is interesting. Looking into the ref to the OU's PLEXUS group posted above by Needmoresleep which seems to be the OU LGBT+ group I was surprised to find it linked in all sorts of stuff with the OU's disabled support group.

chilling19 · 11/10/2023 16:07

prof ' I would have played a role in a letter/statement? I would not let anything go out in my name that I didn't agree with.

maltravers · 11/10/2023 16:03

Maybe because cross sex drugs and reassignment surgery have negative health implications and IIRC a large number of trans youth present with mental health conditions.

Mmmnotsure · 11/10/2023 16:02

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/10/2023 15:59

Heavens that’s batshit

the ‘trans community’ is strongly allied to the ‘disabled community’??

In what way??

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It seemed also particularly relevant to relate the situation to transwomen in a specific refugee camp in Kenya.

GCITC · 11/10/2023 16:01

The open letter

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3
Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3
BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/10/2023 15:59

chilling19 · 11/10/2023 15:50

The open letter

wels.open.ac.uk/sites/wels.open.ac.uk/files/files/RSSH%20GCRN%20letter%20240621.pdf

Heavens that’s batshit

the ‘trans community’ is strongly allied to the ‘disabled community’??

In what way??

GCITC · 11/10/2023 15:58

Correction.

I think this is the open letter

web.archive.org/web/20210618100728/docs.google.com/document/d/1v1rck-opPCcjcKuEER_kaV_EyOvn_zIRfG5it1G6iE0/view

The other letter is the wels letter sent to the view chair

CriticalCondition · 11/10/2023 15:58

MW, yes, ' terf' is a slur and to use it is unprofessional

Mmmnotsure · 11/10/2023 15:56

Thank you for the link to the letter. At a glance it's like a small child with a loaded paintbrush spinning round in a room and plastering stuff everywhere. The range of references is something else.

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 15:56

Ah another lesson on how to use Twitter - brings back memories of Allison's tribunal. Will we get the phrase 'a Twitter storm'?

Mochudubh · 11/10/2023 15:55

Do as we say or we'll tak oor ba' hame.

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