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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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ickky · 11/10/2023 10:41

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2 | Mumsnet

Abbreviations JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C) OU - The Open University, Respondent (R) J - Regional Employment Judge Young P - Panel or panel memb...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

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chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:26

Everyone - log back in now so you are in the waiting room when we resume. You will be subjected to wftchtj but worth the price of entry.

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 13:26

They really are showing themselves to be absolutely shit at their jobs

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 13:25

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:23

So the security services reported tweets with threats of violence to the police - at least they were on the ball.

Edited

I bet they were the lowest paid workers an all.

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ickky · 12/10/2023 13:25

Break until 2.30pm

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chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:25

Judge - did you identify any breaches in the social media policy?

HR Wonk - waffle, waffle, waffle.

So no then.

Judge - there was one that mentioned violence, does that help you to recall?

HR Wonk - waffle, waffle, waffle. Referred to police, because not one of ours.

Judge - claimant sent retweets - comms team monitoring - were you aware of any tweets that breached SM policy by employees?

HR Wonk - waffle, waffle, waffle. Perhaps not what we would expect. Let's give it to the line manager.

But she said earlier they didn't identify any staff tweeting

Bingo card - 'Annual leave"

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 13:24

I'm doing a little hop of joy at the level of shitness and skulduggery and incompetence being revealed.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 13:24

Ameanstreakamilewide · 12/10/2023 13:08

Rampant Clerk-ophobia, for a start. With blatant CVP discrimination.

We're victims, you and I! 😫

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We really are. I'm sure we're being discriminated against and this breaks the law (the law as I, in my own opinion make it up, obviously, not the law as it actually is).

OMG as I was typing this I got let in!!!!

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:23

So the security services reported tweets with threats of violence to the police - at least they were on the ball.

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 13:23

CM: Where violence was proposed in any tweets by ext people they were referred to police by OU.

[Bet those weren't GC tweets.]

Zeugma · 12/10/2023 13:22

You could not make any of this up. It beggars belief. I’m genuinely sitting here open-mouthed.

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 13:21

Judge has such a lovely clear voice for us typists.

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:20

Bingo card - annual leave (wonder if she backed into a bin too)

Original poster
ickky · 12/10/2023 13:20

Bingo! I was on Holiday.

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Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:19

I think not taking down the open letters is potentially the smoking gun.

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 13:18

Panel: Did you consider academic freedom?

CM: That would have been a consideration. The decision was that balance between lawful right to protest and ac freedom and also element of protections under EA. It would have been looking at all of those.

That passive voice again.

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 13:18

I don't think JM does know @Chrysanthemum5 as she's taking further instruction from clients. Perhaps starting with WTF is this all about?

Sisterpita · 12/10/2023 13:17

Good question from panel
member - given the investigator was chosen for his knowledge of academic freedom and he recommended taking down the open letters what was the discussion that led to the decision not take them down.

MrsDoylesCake · 12/10/2023 13:17

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 13:15

CM has only listened to part of the SMinds podcast [bingo]. Panel member making positive remarks about JP comments on that. CM doesn't remember those parts being discussed in the working group.

The fact she listened to any of it surprises me

chilling19 · 12/10/2023 13:17

OK, bingo card

'Can't recall'
'Oversimplified'
'Legal advice'
'No time'
'In hindsight'
'Room for improvement'
'Strengthening statement'
'Read/listened to some of report/podcast'
'Didn't read any of it'

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/10/2023 13:17

I know this is a cluster fuck but JM presumably also didn't know about this?

LarkLane · 12/10/2023 13:16

Thanks so much everyone for passing on the updates. You are fantastic.

Mmmnotsure · 12/10/2023 13:15

CM has only listened to part of the SMinds podcast [bingo]. Panel member making positive remarks about JP comments on that. CM doesn't remember those parts being discussed in the working group.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 12/10/2023 13:14

the witness brought up the grievances but the Judge said that the panel had already spotted that this was a gap in evidence and were considering how to approach that.

CriticalCondition · 12/10/2023 13:14

CM - I didn't listen to the whole of the SMinds podcast
Bingo

Melissamelisante · 12/10/2023 13:13

BC was asking if one of the reasons the grievance hadn't been completed was because similar grievances had been raised. CM said that these issues were being dealt with in similar grievances so no need to continue with Jo's as she'd left. BC expressed surprise that these hadn't been disclosed.

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